Utah I expected, but the other seemingly sharp boundaries came as a total surprise, at least to me. As those between KS, OK and TX; then look at NV and green Vegas. And the N-S boundary of the Ohio river. What’s with WI!?
The colors do seem to overly emphasize smallish actual Δ%, but they still appear striking as presented.
Some may remember my Ar sparger I used, and still use, to backfill an open bottle. Well, I finally got around to fabricating an adaptor to connect my Argon cylinder directly to the Coravin for sampling. No more $10 capsules or $300 for some other solution. Unscrew the capsule handle, remove the piercing fitting and screw in the brass adaptor, connect to cylinder and enjoy 40 ft³ of gas for $100 and change. Leave the bottle under positive Ar pressure for what seems to be unlimited time. I’ve had a bottle with a pierced cork horizontal for nearly a month now with no seepage. Finally I can economically sample a bottle well before I’d even consider pulling a cork. Only took ~5 years of frustration to finally get around to it. The capsule handle cover now protects the needle when not in use.
@davirom Good news to me! I grow a lot of peppers in my garden. Like some thai peppers in the 70,000 SHU range, and also enjoying Scotch Bonnets (in the family of habanero at 100,000–350,000), as well as a number of others. I dry and grind them to enjoy throughout the year.
Isn’t the English language great!(?). Today in this winter season as I am heating my home with seasoned firewood, I seasoned some steaks and cooked them in my well-seasoned cast iron skillet.
Casemates is having issues showing images. I noticed it while trying to attach photos of my pizza & beer last night. I even tried using a different image hosting site and then included the links here, but that didn’t work either. I’m sure the devs will get the issue resolved eventually.
@kawichris650@klezman
Yeah, there was a ticket submitted to the dev team about this at 8:34 this (Saturday) morning. I just pinged my contact for updates, as it still seems broken.
@karenhynes@Mark_L Yes! Thank you both.
It was the Nobu one I was thinking of.
Too late now to begin prep, but tomorrow…
I have some of the Alaska Gold Sablefish for the task, but didn’t want to use their recipe.
And it was Scott; shoulda known. I now remember the exchange.
I just found out DeNegoce was sold last year to Martin Ray. So Cameron only owned it for a couple of years? Curious if the quality of wines will drop. I also read Cameron is being sued by MR
Looks like a big question of direction of effect here, though…
And I dispute this characterization. The study was about bitter vs sweet beverages and the abstract says nothing about “how they make you feel”.
@davirom@klezman Makes me feel good about this rack of dried/ground peppers from last year’s garden that I keep on the dinner table (back row has tabasco and a couple kinds of Thai red peppers).
@davirom@klezman@Mark_L Back in the day… i used to have about 26+ variety of peppers in my garden… then kids. If you wants some seeds, happy to send some.
[Would have been OT on the Poli’ticks" MMXXV thread]
In college I took a course titled “Psychology of Chess” taught by a grandmaster. It was a lot of chess and very little psychology beyond the board. In addition to a textbook (yesteryear’s version of “Chess for Dummies”) we had to buy chess clocks. I learned that I am a lousy chess player. And I don’t know what happened to the chess clock.
@davirom I’m not good either. I can see immediate threats, but that’s about it, and my endgame is horrible. The checkmate you see in the picture was accidental.
Keeping the daily from excessive clutter, here are the MS bottles a local GO had when I stopped on the way home after work and a promotion dinner (not mine).
Both of the CA bottles were $8, while the Sonoma was $9
Yup, been slowly picking my way thru the case
Down to 1 each '05, '07 and '10 and 2 each on the '08 and '09. CT thinks these are already past time; I’ll differ.
@chipgreen@klezman@rjquillin FWIW the Director of Sales and Marketing, who also runs the tasting room, says the 2004 (their first vintage) is still maturing.
@chipgreen@davirom@klezman@rjquillin I did a vertical tasting with family at Easter one year, and one of them (the 05 or 07) was significantly different and worse than the others.
Following discussions with Mercatalyst/Meh/CM administrators, I was advised they had no technical means to move the IH OT thread over here to the pub. The only way to do this is cut-n-paste of posts, en mass, so the discussion would be preserved and to allow continued discussion here, without censorship.
losthighwayz said Friday at 3:49pm ET:
Here’s my beef. The site is called Casemates and its original intention was to get people to buy a case or more to share with others. Cases sold out overnight and I am 100 percent certain more cases could have been made available based on the sales but we’re not. I suspect it’s the profit margin but doesn’t this go against the very essence of the business model sold to many of us old timers after wine woot? Rant over
@losthighwayz nah, we moved a bunch of cases over. this is a friday deal. friday is usually limited quantities. just a few 6 ers left.
Winedavid59 said Friday at 4:26pm ET @losthighwayz The bigger rant might be, that the site has never really been set up to easily find “Mates” to split cases with!
I appreciate all the wine I have purchased here, but I would prefer to be able to experiment more with new/different wines, which I can’t always do, because I can only drink so much , and can only take so many full cases; and also the price differential for a non-case can be too much. The initial model I thought was to enable us to find ‘Mates’ to share cases with, but that has never really materialized.
drgonzo99 said Friday at 5:36pm ET @drgonzo99@losthighwayz Just wondering: How many times have you asked if anyone is interested in splitting a case in your area? I know it doesn’t always work, but sometimes it does!
chipgreen said Friday at 6:34pm ET @Winedavid59 cases have been sold out since 6 am PT. Let’s say you had 10 six packs left. Why not make that 5 cases and sellout the offer? Something isn’t adding up. Unless m missing something?
losthighwayz said Friday at 8:16pm ET @losthighwayz@Winedavid59 all are sold out now…so it all worked.
TimW said Friday at 9:03pm ET @chipgreen@drgonzo99@losthighwayz Site tools: um…like this?
To whom ever purchased IH Chard from Calhoun County (Battle Creek) this morning would you share some with me? Practically next door
ttboy23 said Friday at 9:17pm ET @chipgreen@drgonzo99@losthighwayz@ttboy23 it’s pretty clear that Meh didn’t want to build the tools. So WD started Divvy Up with tools but it never really got off the ground.
I would love easier ways to split cases. But I’ve found folks over the years and made it work.
hscottk said Friday at 10:03pm ET @TimW@Winedavid59 how so? Not sure you followed my argument go back and reread it
Or maybe you aren’t following … Some locations don’t HAVE other Casemateers close by … and they may not be able to go that far where someone is located. AND they don’t want a CASE. Or they moved to any area where others formerly on Casemates don’t pop into offers that much, and so DON’T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY to “share” a case with someone else.
So while they could “combine” the 6 into cases, not everyone WANTS a case!
MarkDaSpark said Friday at 10:26pm ET @MarkDaSpark@TimW@Winedavid59 mark no one invited you but since you have decided to join us. I never said people don’t want a six pack. I said the premise of Casemates is for people to buy cases. I thought you had better reading skills. In any event, you bought a case, correct? I rest my case. Hope Texas is treating you well! Cheers!
losthighwayz said Friday at 10:45pm ET @MarkDaSpark@TimW@Winedavid59 Mark, you did read the multiple posts asking for more cases, right? I hope you did but in case you did not I can fill you in. Let me know.
losthighwayz said Friday at 10:48pm ET @losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@Winedavid59 when I said “ all are sold out now…so it all worked”: i meant, that they sold out so they didn’t need to combine into cases. They sold all the wine without combining.
TimW said Friday at 10:51pm ET @MarkDaSpark@TimW@Winedavid59 as I knew it would but that wasn’t my point. My point is that by not combining 6 packs into cases it increased their profit margin at the expense of loyal customers who would’ve preferred the case price. WD could’ve easily combined remaining inventory but chose not to and that’s his prerogative but own up to it. Don’t say not true only a few 6ers left (at 6pm) when peeps were asking for cases since 7 am. That’s what I was trying to point out.
rjquillin said Friday at 11:40pm ET @losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59 It is not bickering, when it is the truth. Granted, I buy 99% percent of wine from this site and I love the deals. As I remember it, when wine.woot closed and this was born, we were told we would have advanced tools. Obviously this has not happened and probably never will. Does this stop me from buying wine here, no. But being honest goes a long way. They just need to say, we make more money off of 6 packs, so that is why we cannot add more.
Promised tools not delivered, but many have been on this soapbox multiple times, myself included.
rjquillin said Saturday at 12:16am ET @danandlisa@losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59
I still don’t understand why they don’t have a checkout system that’s intelligent enough to subtract 12s and 6s from one total quantity until the bottles are gone. What year is this? Seriously, we are on the verge of quantum computing.
chipgreen said Saturday at 12:26am ET @losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59 I agree, but maybe David needs to say, whoops, we can’t deliver what we said. Humility and honesty go a long way. Until then, people will bring it up. Yes Chip, especially with AI. My work emails have improved because of it.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 12:38am ET @danandlisa@losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59
It wouldn’t be so bad if they hadn’t crowd-funded the site. 1,829 of us combined to give over $120,000 to the CM Kickstarter campaign. As such, there should have been some sense of obligation/responsibility on the part of Casemates to follow through with their promises for the development of the site.
chipgreen said Saturday at 12:44am ET @danandlisa@losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@TimW@Winedavid59 Not pointing or calling out any individual; just the general tone of the thread, despite agreeing with much of it. The comment was what immediately came to mind after a good dinner and bottle of wine, and I don’t generally filter thoughts/comments well at all.
They just need to say, we make more money off of 6 packs, so that is why we cannot add more.
I’m not sure this statement is true. $90 vs $145 - but how much does it cost to pack and ship two six packs vs one case? This is $35 additional and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s basically a wash and the profit to WCC and the winery are very similar with most of the difference going to the packing materials and UPS. Probably a touch more to the labour required to pack it all.
That said, I agree that it should be simpler to have a single inventory. And the sharing tools should be created.
klezman said Saturday at 1:56am ET @losthighwayz I’m confused. Are you asking for 18 packs, to go with the 6 and the 12 offered?
Totally disagree with the greed based conspiracy theory. How many wines sell out from the 200 or so offered every year? A dozen? And even then, they try to move inventory over when they can. Why would they take the time and effort to do that if there was an intention to overcharge us?
This isn’t about greed. I believe it’s more about technology. Casemates was late to the Meh family. It’s the only site that sells the same item at different prices on a daily basis based on quantity purchased. I’m sure site software just wasn’t designed to handle that. It was setup to sell refurb power banks and hair dryers. The case sharing tool is a similar situation.
It’s likely that at some point a business decision was made that it wasn’t worth the time and effort to recode the entire software platform to make these things work. Sure, there are issues with the status quo (shipping notifications, anyone?) but it more or less does what they need it to do. This is a one off use case they weren’t prepared to invest in. Do I know this as fact? No. But it makes a lot more sense than your cynical take.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:38am ET @danandlisa@hscottk@klezman@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59 not sure that I agree. They have made cases available after sellouts many times over the years hence it is possible. Yes the technology isn’t there but the ability to make it happen is still there. Where there’s a will there is a way.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:40am ET @Drez143 not at all. What I’m saying is that CM could have made more cases available for purchase after cases sold out at 6am and only 6 packs were left but close not to. The inventory and demand were clearly there.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:42am ET @danandlisa@klezman@losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59 It’s pretty clear what happens there. Someone tags Thumperchick, she sees it and jumps on to move inventory. If she happens to be busy, out sick, etc, it may sell out before that happens. This really isn’t that complicated. If they wanted to bilk us for every drachma, they never had to offer this in the first place. The fact that they use their labor resources to LOSE $$ and work the process manually displays just the opposite of what you accuse them of.
hscottk said Saturday at 9:54am ET @losthighwayz ahhh, so you wanted 24? You could just place multiple (up to two) orders! Easy peasy!
Drez143 said Saturday at 10:43am ET @losthighwayz@MarkDaSpark@TimW@Winedavid59 If it was really important to you, you could have bought a case when it went up for sale. Some of us on the East Coast have jobs that require us to get some sleep in order to function, so it’s necessary to get to bed before the sale begins at midnight. For people like you, who live on the West Coast, and have the advantage of buying it at 9:00 PM, that’s less of an issue. It’s not really up to you to tell someone else how to run their business. The terms of the sale were clear from the beginning. If you missed out on the better deal because you waited too long, you don’t get to demand that they fix it for you. If you wanted a case and the cases were sold out, nothing prevented you from buying two six-packs. Either way, it’s still a good deal, even compared to what I pay as a wine club member.
ddeuddeg said Saturday at 2:00pm ET @ddeuddeg you obviously can’t read. Please don’t reply. Have a great day!
Site tools: um…like this?
To whom ever purchased IH Chard from Calhoun County (Battle Creek) this morning would you share some with me? Practically next door
Yeah, I don’t know what I was expecting for a measly $120,000.
Also, thumperchick went above and beyond sitting the summer hold months to move inventory around to help everybody out.
klezman said Saturday at 6:39pm ET
@klezman stop putting words in my mouth. Weren’t new cases made available after 6am and gone within 30 minutes? Did I say I wanted someone monitoring 24/7? Stop being a bootlicker
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:58pm ET @danandlisa@hscottk@klezman@MarkDaSpark@rjquillin@TimW@Winedavid59 what bothers me the most s the herd mentality. Maybe think about what I said and come to a sensible post that addresses my point instead of bunching up and attacking me which is the easy way out.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 10:02pm ET @losthighwayz dude, I didn’t put words in your mouth. I just took it to the logical conclusion. Your complaint essentially boiled down to a lag between cases selling out and inventory being relocated. The logical end state is that you’d need somebody in hand to adjust inventory at all hours. I’m sorry you feel attacked.
what bothers me the most s the herd mentality. Maybe think about what I said and come to a sensible post that addresses my point instead of bunching up and attacking me which is the easy way out.
Then calling someone a “bootlicker” and also saying someone wasn’t “invited” to the discussion? Hold up a mirror please.
One other thought (you appear to have missed) is that WD and the wineries all use CONTRACTS. Said contracts all have things spelled out. So many cases at $XX and half (or quarter) cases at $X. Those are agreed to by both parties (WCC & the winery) prior to any offer. So while you “think” it is “easy” to just move the 6 into the case size, it might not be legally possible without getting the winery’s agreement. So it probably isn’t a simple matter to do it as you think.
Also, while I would have liked to buy a case, it’s harder here to find someone active enough to split. So I bought the 6 oniy. So instead of only thinking of yourself,think that others might appreciate the half case ability!
All;
this really isn’t a proper place to have this discussion. It adds nothing to the wine and may give Joy second thoughts regarding future offers.
Let’s take it to the Pub for further discussion.
I’m going to ask to lock this discussion and purge this discussion.
jmdavidson1 said Saturday at 10:47pm ET:
What a discussion. Whew. If you missed out and want IH chard, just wait for it to show up on TSO. It usually does. Or, you can even contact them now and see if they still have some in their inventory.
I am a kickstarter and yes, I along with most people, were promised the moon and stars. We did not get them and probably never will. I just wish we had David come out and say, sorry. I live in a remote area and I never have anyone to share my wine. This does not stop from buying here. It just means I buy less. It is disappointing to be ignored.
@danandlisa I, too, was a Kickstarter backer (#191!) and was bummed the Casemates sharing tools never came into being. And the platform definitely has its flaws well documented upthread. I mean, why do we get a sales email on day 2 when the offer sold out on day 1? No one can stop that email from going out? It doesn’t really bother me, but I can see why others are frustrated getting a sales pitch for wine they can’t buy.
All that said, I have little to complain about re: the Kickstarter. For $50, I received a nice t shirt, $30 in coupons, and VMP for a year with free shipping. More than my moneys worth to say the least. I can forgive them for not having/prioritizing labor resources to develop case sharing site tools. I’ve learned to let go.
And in some ways the glitchy nature of the website is part of its charm. This isn’t Amazon (yes, I know it used to be…). It has the feel of a neighborhood store: not perfect, but you know their name and are happy to support them.
@danandlisa@hscottk Agreed. They also don’t control the tech and back-end infrastructure since that comes from Meh/Mediocre. Their name tells you what to expect…
I would also love to have proper case splitting tools. But it took how many years to get a summer hold option? Maybe those tools will yet come, but I am certainly not holding my breath.
(And also, enough people are complaining about the summer hold option that WD might be wondering why he even tried. Just can’t please everybody, and being online makes it far too easy for people to just complain.)
@chipgreen@hscottk@klezman@rjquillin I don’t have much faith after all this time. I will continue to buy the deals because they are are good. I just wish for better.
Planning on a dry January?
America’s Drunkest and Driest Counties
@rjquillin
As they say on That '70’s Show, “Hello, Wisconsin!”.
@chipgreen @karenhynes
Utah I expected, but the other seemingly sharp boundaries came as a total surprise, at least to me. As those between KS, OK and TX; then look at NV and green Vegas. And the N-S boundary of the Ohio river. What’s with WI!?
The colors do seem to overly emphasize smallish actual Δ%, but they still appear striking as presented.
Some may remember my Ar sparger I used, and still use, to backfill an open bottle. Well, I finally got around to fabricating an adaptor to connect my Argon cylinder directly to the Coravin for sampling. No more $10 capsules or $300 for some other solution. Unscrew the capsule handle, remove the piercing fitting and screw in the brass adaptor, connect to cylinder and enjoy 40 ft³ of gas for $100 and change. Leave the bottle under positive Ar pressure for what seems to be unlimited time. I’ve had a bottle with a pierced cork horizontal for nearly a month now with no seepage. Finally I can economically sample a bottle well before I’d even consider pulling a cork. Only took ~5 years of frustration to finally get around to it. The capsule handle cover now protects the needle when not in use.
@rjquillin
That is truly awe-some. Well done!
(Only used the hyphen to prevent the filtered/automated response.)
@rjquillin
Nice! Can you Coravin a tank of Nitrous Oxide like this?
@chipgreen
Ok, this has a story waiting to be told.
@rjquillin
Haha, no it is a story waiting to be created. Fear & Loathing in San Diego.
I really should have also posted a pic of the whole rig in use.
and the sparger
Something like this really is easy and not that expensive to assemble and gives you almost total freedom to sample and preserve.
@davirom those are part of my standard diet!
@klezman Then you’ll probably live forever!
@davirom I wonder how many years I gained with my Szechuan dinner last night? (Though I’ll cop to skipping the hottest peppers.)
@davirom Good news to me! I grow a lot of peppers in my garden. Like some thai peppers in the 70,000 SHU range, and also enjoying Scotch Bonnets (in the family of habanero at 100,000–350,000), as well as a number of others. I dry and grind them to enjoy throughout the year.
Isn’t the English language great!(?). Today in this winter season as I am heating my home with seasoned firewood, I seasoned some steaks and cooked them in my well-seasoned cast iron skillet.
@Mark_L https://taylorschool.es/2018/05/09/english-can-be-weird/
Unless @rjquillin knows how to get the image directly here…it wouldn’t just use the url for me.
@klezman @rjquillin
Casemates is having issues showing images. I noticed it while trying to attach photos of my pizza & beer last night. I even tried using a different image hosting site and then included the links here, but that didn’t work either. I’m sure the devs will get the issue resolved eventually.
@kawichris650 @klezman
Yeah, there was a ticket submitted to the dev team about this at 8:34 this (Saturday) morning. I just pinged my contact for updates, as it still seems broken.
@kawichris650 @rjquillin I should have realised that was the cause.
So did they fix the picture problem?
@ScottW58
I just tried to attach a photo. The issue hasn’t been resolved yet.
@kawichris650
Lovely, be back later.
@kawichris650 @ScottW58
dev team taking a 3-day…
@kawichris650 @ScottW58
just tried again
not yet
@kawichris650 @rjquillin @ScottW58
Same here
@chipgreen @kawichris650 @rjquillin @ScottW58 picture posting should be fixed now.
@mschuette
I seem to recall someone posting in the ‘what are you drinking’ thread a marinated black cod - miso recipe.
Any clues, links or suggestions?
@rjquillin A specific Google search led me to this thread (search for “miso”).
@rjquillin
There were a couple posted back in February…and by February, I mean January.
https://coupleinthekitchen.com/nobu-black-cod-recipe/
https://alaskagoldbrand.com/blogs/recipes/miso-marinated-black-cod-recipe
@karenhynes @Mark_L Yes! Thank you both.
It was the Nobu one I was thinking of.
Too late now to begin prep, but tomorrow…
I have some of the Alaska Gold Sablefish for the task, but didn’t want to use their recipe.
And it was Scott; shoulda known. I now remember the exchange.
@karenhynes @Mark_L @rjquillin Sounds like a great choice—enjoy cooking with the Alaska Gold Sablefish tomorrow!
I just found out DeNegoce was sold last year to Martin Ray. So Cameron only owned it for a couple of years? Curious if the quality of wines will drop. I also read Cameron is being sued by MR
@losthighwayz
Seems like this happened around the same time the label design changed, iirc.
From my oh-so scientific page-a-day calendar. So praise or blame your ancestors.
@davirom That appears to be this study: https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/28/14/2449/5424254
Looks like a big question of direction of effect here, though…
And I dispute this characterization. The study was about bitter vs sweet beverages and the abstract says nothing about “how they make you feel”.
@davirom @klezman The REALLY BIG question is if the study answers the question of whether you prefer your coffee black or with creamer/milk!
@davirom @klezman @Mark_L anyone say Larry? lol
Only in Akron…
@chipgreen
they’re spawning!
Am i the only one who is melancholy after the passing of Brian Wilson? i’m playing Pet Sounds on repeat.
Not at all.
Many of those we grew up with in our formative years are now reminding us of just how transient our time is.
@davirom I’ve done that; back in the 80’s iirc
Another page from the calendar
@davirom So then, lunch -
@davirom If you’re ever near a Qin West, their spicy chicken is amazing. As is their Liang Pi - so addictively spicy.
@davirom @klezman Makes me feel good about this rack of dried/ground peppers from last year’s garden that I keep on the dinner table (back row has tabasco and a couple kinds of Thai red peppers).
Missed being able to correct the spelling of Tabasco buy that
much…
@davirom @klezman @Mark_L Back in the day… i used to have about 26+ variety of peppers in my garden… then kids. If you wants some seeds, happy to send some.
[Would have been OT on the Poli’ticks" MMXXV thread]
In college I took a course titled “Psychology of Chess” taught by a grandmaster. It was a lot of chess and very little psychology beyond the board. In addition to a textbook (yesteryear’s version of “Chess for Dummies”) we had to buy chess clocks. I learned that I am a lousy chess player. And I don’t know what happened to the chess clock.
@davirom I’m not good either. I can see immediate threats, but that’s about it, and my endgame is horrible. The checkmate you see in the picture was accidental.
Keeping the daily from excessive clutter, here are the MS bottles a local GO had when I stopped on the way home after work and a promotion dinner (not mine).
Both of the CA bottles were $8, while the Sonoma was $9
@rjquillin unless they use “bottled by” on all their bottles that means these wines are from the bulk market.
Blast from the past. Remember this one?
Tasting today. If you still have any, they are $85 - $105 per bottle at the vineyard.
@davirom Yup, down to one bottle
@davirom
I still have the whole case. Happy to let it go for a mere $1,000.
@chipgreen @davirom @klezman
Yup, been slowly picking my way thru the case
Down to 1 each '05, '07 and '10 and 2 each on the '08 and '09. CT thinks these are already past time; I’ll differ.
@chipgreen @klezman @rjquillin FWIW the Director of Sales and Marketing, who also runs the tasting room, says the 2004 (their first vintage) is still maturing.
@chipgreen @davirom @klezman
But did he say it was still improving?
Not always synonymous
{stated with a bit of sarc}
@chipgreen @davirom @klezman @rjquillin I did a vertical tasting with family at Easter one year, and one of them (the 05 or 07) was significantly different and worse than the others.
Happy New Year to all who celebrate Rosh Hashana!
@chipgreen thank you!
Following discussions with Mercatalyst/Meh/CM administrators, I was advised they had no technical means to move the IH OT thread over here to the pub. The only way to do this is cut-n-paste of posts, en mass, so the discussion would be preserved and to allow continued discussion here, without censorship.
This won’t be pretty…
losthighwayz said Friday at 3:49pm ET:
Here’s my beef. The site is called Casemates and its original intention was to get people to buy a case or more to share with others. Cases sold out overnight and I am 100 percent certain more cases could have been made available based on the sales but we’re not. I suspect it’s the profit margin but doesn’t this go against the very essence of the business model sold to many of us old timers after wine woot? Rant over
@losthighwayz nah, we moved a bunch of cases over. this is a friday deal. friday is usually limited quantities. just a few 6 ers left.
Winedavid59 said Friday at 4:26pm ET
@losthighwayz The bigger rant might be, that the site has never really been set up to easily find “Mates” to split cases with!
I appreciate all the wine I have purchased here, but I would prefer to be able to experiment more with new/different wines, which I can’t always do, because I can only drink so much , and can only take so many full cases; and also the price differential for a non-case can be too much. The initial model I thought was to enable us to find ‘Mates’ to share cases with, but that has never really materialized.
drgonzo99 said Friday at 5:36pm ET
@drgonzo99 @losthighwayz Just wondering: How many times have you asked if anyone is interested in splitting a case in your area? I know it doesn’t always work, but sometimes it does!
bahwm said Friday at 6:33pm ET
@drgonzo99 @losthighwayz
That would require “site tools”.
chipgreen said Friday at 6:34pm ET
@Winedavid59 cases have been sold out since 6 am PT. Let’s say you had 10 six packs left. Why not make that 5 cases and sellout the offer? Something isn’t adding up. Unless m missing something?
losthighwayz said Friday at 8:16pm ET
@losthighwayz @Winedavid59 all are sold out now…so it all worked.
TimW said Friday at 9:03pm ET
@chipgreen @drgonzo99 @losthighwayz Site tools: um…like this?
To whom ever purchased IH Chard from Calhoun County (Battle Creek) this morning would you share some with me? Practically next door
ttboy23 said Friday at 9:17pm ET
@chipgreen @drgonzo99 @losthighwayz @ttboy23 it’s pretty clear that Meh didn’t want to build the tools. So WD started Divvy Up with tools but it never really got off the ground.
I would love easier ways to split cases. But I’ve found folks over the years and made it work.
hscottk said Friday at 10:03pm ET
@TimW @Winedavid59 how so? Not sure you followed my argument go back and reread it
losthighwayz said Friday at 10:18pm ET
@losthighwayz @TimW @Winedavid59
Or maybe you aren’t following … Some locations don’t HAVE other Casemateers close by … and they may not be able to go that far where someone is located. AND they don’t want a CASE. Or they moved to any area where others formerly on Casemates don’t pop into offers that much, and so DON’T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY to “share” a case with someone else.
So while they could “combine” the 6 into cases, not everyone WANTS a case!
MarkDaSpark said Friday at 10:26pm ET
@MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59 mark no one invited you but since you have decided to join us. I never said people don’t want a six pack. I said the premise of Casemates is for people to buy cases. I thought you had better reading skills. In any event, you bought a case, correct? I rest my case. Hope Texas is treating you well! Cheers!
losthighwayz said Friday at 10:45pm ET
@MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59 Mark, you did read the multiple posts asking for more cases, right? I hope you did but in case you did not I can fill you in. Let me know.
losthighwayz said Friday at 10:48pm ET
@losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @Winedavid59 when I said “ all are sold out now…so it all worked”: i meant, that they sold out so they didn’t need to combine into cases. They sold all the wine without combining.
TimW said Friday at 10:51pm ET
@MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59 as I knew it would but that wasn’t my point. My point is that by not combining 6 packs into cases it increased their profit margin at the expense of loyal customers who would’ve preferred the case price. WD could’ve easily combined remaining inventory but chose not to and that’s his prerogative but own up to it. Don’t say not true only a few 6ers left (at 6pm) when peeps were asking for cases since 7 am. That’s what I was trying to point out.
losthighwayz said Friday at 11:30pm ET
@losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59
Bickersons
rjquillin said Friday at 11:40pm ET
@losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 It is not bickering, when it is the truth. Granted, I buy 99% percent of wine from this site and I love the deals. As I remember it, when wine.woot closed and this was born, we were told we would have advanced tools. Obviously this has not happened and probably never will. Does this stop me from buying wine here, no. But being honest goes a long way. They just need to say, we make more money off of 6 packs, so that is why we cannot add more.
danandlisa said Friday at 11:54pm ET
@danandlisa @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59
I will not disagree, but it still sounds like the Bickersons.
Promised tools not delivered, but many have been on this soapbox multiple times, myself included.
rjquillin said Saturday at 12:16am ET
@danandlisa @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
I still don’t understand why they don’t have a checkout system that’s intelligent enough to subtract 12s and 6s from one total quantity until the bottles are gone. What year is this? Seriously, we are on the verge of quantum computing.
chipgreen said Saturday at 12:26am ET
@losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 I agree, but maybe David needs to say, whoops, we can’t deliver what we said. Humility and honesty go a long way. Until then, people will bring it up. Yes Chip, especially with AI. My work emails have improved because of it.
danandlisa said Saturday at 12:34am ET
@danandlisa @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 RJ you’re picking and choosing here. What about the 6 pack vs 12 pack (case) point I brought up?
losthighwayz said Saturday at 12:38am ET
@danandlisa @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
It wouldn’t be so bad if they hadn’t crowd-funded the site. 1,829 of us combined to give over $120,000 to the CM Kickstarter campaign. As such, there should have been some sense of obligation/responsibility on the part of Casemates to follow through with their promises for the development of the site.
chipgreen said Saturday at 12:44am ET
@danandlisa @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59 Not pointing or calling out any individual; just the general tone of the thread, despite agreeing with much of it. The comment was what immediately came to mind after a good dinner and bottle of wine, and I don’t generally filter thoughts/comments well at all.
rjquillin said Saturday at 12:56am ET
@danandlisa @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
They just need to say, we make more money off of 6 packs, so that is why we cannot add more.
I’m not sure this statement is true. $90 vs $145 - but how much does it cost to pack and ship two six packs vs one case? This is $35 additional and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s basically a wash and the profit to WCC and the winery are very similar with most of the difference going to the packing materials and UPS. Probably a touch more to the labour required to pack it all.
That said, I agree that it should be simpler to have a single inventory. And the sharing tools should be created.
klezman said Saturday at 1:56am ET
@losthighwayz I’m confused. Are you asking for 18 packs, to go with the 6 and the 12 offered?
Drez143 said Saturday at 7:50am ET
@danandlisa @klezman @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
Totally disagree with the greed based conspiracy theory. How many wines sell out from the 200 or so offered every year? A dozen? And even then, they try to move inventory over when they can. Why would they take the time and effort to do that if there was an intention to overcharge us?
This isn’t about greed. I believe it’s more about technology. Casemates was late to the Meh family. It’s the only site that sells the same item at different prices on a daily basis based on quantity purchased. I’m sure site software just wasn’t designed to handle that. It was setup to sell refurb power banks and hair dryers. The case sharing tool is a similar situation.
It’s likely that at some point a business decision was made that it wasn’t worth the time and effort to recode the entire software platform to make these things work. Sure, there are issues with the status quo (shipping notifications, anyone?) but it more or less does what they need it to do. This is a one off use case they weren’t prepared to invest in. Do I know this as fact? No. But it makes a lot more sense than your cynical take.
hscottk said Saturday at 9:28am ET
@danandlisa @klezman @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 assuming what you are saying is fact why not make cases available then? They clearly had inventory after 6am but chose not to do it.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:38am ET
@danandlisa @hscottk @klezman @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 not sure that I agree. They have made cases available after sellouts many times over the years hence it is possible. Yes the technology isn’t there but the ability to make it happen is still there. Where there’s a will there is a way.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:40am ET
@Drez143 not at all. What I’m saying is that CM could have made more cases available for purchase after cases sold out at 6am and only 6 packs were left but close not to. The inventory and demand were clearly there.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:42am ET
@danandlisa @klezman @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 It’s pretty clear what happens there. Someone tags Thumperchick, she sees it and jumps on to move inventory. If she happens to be busy, out sick, etc, it may sell out before that happens. This really isn’t that complicated. If they wanted to bilk us for every drachma, they never had to offer this in the first place. The fact that they use their labor resources to LOSE $$ and work the process manually displays just the opposite of what you accuse them of.
hscottk said Saturday at 9:54am ET
@losthighwayz ahhh, so you wanted 24? You could just place multiple (up to two) orders! Easy peasy!
Drez143 said Saturday at 10:43am ET
@losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59 If it was really important to you, you could have bought a case when it went up for sale. Some of us on the East Coast have jobs that require us to get some sleep in order to function, so it’s necessary to get to bed before the sale begins at midnight. For people like you, who live on the West Coast, and have the advantage of buying it at 9:00 PM, that’s less of an issue. It’s not really up to you to tell someone else how to run their business. The terms of the sale were clear from the beginning. If you missed out on the better deal because you waited too long, you don’t get to demand that they fix it for you. If you wanted a case and the cases were sold out, nothing prevented you from buying two six-packs. Either way, it’s still a good deal, even compared to what I pay as a wine club member.
ddeuddeg said Saturday at 2:00pm ET
@ddeuddeg you obviously can’t read. Please don’t reply. Have a great day!
losthighwayz said Saturday at 2:12pm ET
@drgonzo99 @losthighwayz @ttboy23
Site tools: um…like this?
To whom ever purchased IH Chard from Calhoun County (Battle Creek) this morning would you share some with me? Practically next door
Yeah, I don’t know what I was expecting for a measly $120,000.
chipgreen said Saturday at 3:38pm ET
@danandlisa @hscottk @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
Seems that lost wants a staffer on hand 24/7 to make manual inventory adjustments. Seems a tad unrealistic.
Also, thumperchick went above and beyond sitting the summer hold months to move inventory around to help everybody out.
klezman said Saturday at 6:39pm ET
@klezman stop putting words in my mouth. Weren’t new cases made available after 6am and gone within 30 minutes? Did I say I wanted someone monitoring 24/7? Stop being a bootlicker
losthighwayz said Saturday at 9:58pm ET
@danandlisa @hscottk @klezman @MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59 what bothers me the most s the herd mentality. Maybe think about what I said and come to a sensible post that addresses my point instead of bunching up and attacking me which is the easy way out.
losthighwayz said Saturday at 10:02pm ET
@losthighwayz dude, I didn’t put words in your mouth. I just took it to the logical conclusion. Your complaint essentially boiled down to a lag between cases selling out and inventory being relocated. The logical end state is that you’d need somebody in hand to adjust inventory at all hours. I’m sorry you feel attacked.
klezman said Yesterday at 1:35am ET
@danandlisa @hscottk @klezman @losthighwayz @rjquillin @TimW @Winedavid59
Lost,
You do realize your hypocrisy of saying:
what bothers me the most s the herd mentality. Maybe think about what I said and come to a sensible post that addresses my point instead of bunching up and attacking me which is the easy way out.
Then calling someone a “bootlicker” and also saying someone wasn’t “invited” to the discussion? Hold up a mirror please.
One other thought (you appear to have missed) is that WD and the wineries all use CONTRACTS. Said contracts all have things spelled out. So many cases at $XX and half (or quarter) cases at $X. Those are agreed to by both parties (WCC & the winery) prior to any offer. So while you “think” it is “easy” to just move the 6 into the case size, it might not be legally possible without getting the winery’s agreement. So it probably isn’t a simple matter to do it as you think.
Also, while I would have liked to buy a case, it’s harder here to find someone active enough to split. So I bought the 6 oniy. So instead of only thinking of yourself,think that others might appreciate the half case ability!
MarkDaSpark said 13 hours ago
@danandlisa @hscottk @klezman @losthighwayz @MarkDaSpark @TimW @Winedavid59
All;
this really isn’t a proper place to have this discussion. It adds nothing to the wine and may give Joy second thoughts regarding future offers.
Let’s take it to the Pub for further discussion.
I’m going to ask to lock this discussion and purge this discussion.
jmdavidson1 said Saturday at 10:47pm ET:
What a discussion. Whew. If you missed out and want IH chard, just wait for it to show up on TSO. It usually does. Or, you can even contact them now and see if they still have some in their inventory.
@jmdavidson1
True, and sometimes … it will cost less or have lower shipping. But not often. 🫨🫨
MarkDaSpark said 13 hours ago
CorTot said 12 hours ago:
Interesting read here, you never know when one of these threads will go off the rails.
IH thread now unlocked for discussion of the wine and offer. Post your OT comments here, as posts there will be removed.
I am a kickstarter and yes, I along with most people, were promised the moon and stars. We did not get them and probably never will. I just wish we had David come out and say, sorry. I live in a remote area and I never have anyone to share my wine. This does not stop from buying here. It just means I buy less. It is disappointing to be ignored.
@danandlisa I, too, was a Kickstarter backer (#191!) and was bummed the Casemates sharing tools never came into being. And the platform definitely has its flaws well documented upthread. I mean, why do we get a sales email on day 2 when the offer sold out on day 1? No one can stop that email from going out? It doesn’t really bother me, but I can see why others are frustrated getting a sales pitch for wine they can’t buy.
All that said, I have little to complain about re: the Kickstarter. For $50, I received a nice t shirt, $30 in coupons, and VMP for a year with free shipping. More than my moneys worth to say the least. I can forgive them for not having/prioritizing labor resources to develop case sharing site tools. I’ve learned to let go.
And in some ways the glitchy nature of the website is part of its charm. This isn’t Amazon (yes, I know it used to be…). It has the feel of a neighborhood store: not perfect, but you know their name and are happy to support them.
@danandlisa @hscottk Agreed. They also don’t control the tech and back-end infrastructure since that comes from Meh/Mediocre. Their name tells you what to expect…
I would also love to have proper case splitting tools. But it took how many years to get a summer hold option? Maybe those tools will yet come, but I am certainly not holding my breath.
(And also, enough people are complaining about the summer hold option that WD might be wondering why he even tried. Just can’t please everybody, and being online makes it far too easy for people to just complain.)
@danandlisa @hscottk @klezman
We complain because we care.
@chipgreen @danandlisa @hscottk @klezman
Yes. I think msny realize that, and it did get get noticed. So hopefully some good will come of it.
@chipgreen @hscottk @klezman @rjquillin I don’t have much faith after all this time. I will continue to buy the deals because they are are good. I just wish for better.