Sensory Perception: During their blending sessions, winemakers Scott and Mollie insist on complete silence in the lab. Music can significantly alter one’s perception of wine. We enjoy conducting experiments with our dinner guests. We place two identical glasses of wine on the table and ask them to assess each separately. After tasting the first glass, we subtly change the music. Not a single person has ever recognized that it was the exact wine. Each person had their preference.
Curious what @winesmith might add to the conversation. Not heard from him in some time now and wondering what’s up in his world…
I did a similar experiment on NPR’s Soundcheck in 2012. It’s an interesting story. I was in Milan, Italy to do an article on the giant winery exhibition SIMEI for Wines & Vines when I got this phone call from NPR. They had cognitive musicologist Daniel Levitin (This Is Your Brain On Music) on a conference call from U. Montreal and wanted us to do a show in a couple hours.
So I found a quiet alley in Milan and Daniel and I cooked up a scheme where we had the host taste three wines while we changed the background music. The host didn’t know what was going on. He described the three wines very differently even though they were the same wine.
I’ve run a lot of crazy experiments in my time, but this one takes the cake.
@ScottW58 Interesting article I had missed. Living on the East coast, the price advantage of European ‘bulk’ quality wines is large and on a price/quality ratio, below the very high end, European wines - especially dry whites - provide both better value and quality. Longtime Casematers and Wooters know I’m a lifelong advocate of California wines, but years of living in the East have made me very much aware of the sound reasons which California wines in the mid-price range and low price range have so much trouble doing well in this part of the country.
@rpm@ScottW58 In the last few years even over here the California wines have continued their price increases and compare less favourably to European whites than they used to.
@klezman@rpm
Yes even when I was on the east coast wine boards 15 or more years ago and I started to buy European wines at the low to mid level it was obvious the difference in bang for your buck and that was a big topic of discussion. I still love good California/Oregon etc wines and buy them but my cellar has changed over the years from over 90% USA wines to 22%. Of course ymmv.
"It’s only June, and fires in the wine country and elsewhere in California have already started. The Point Fire, Sonoma County’s first wildfire of the season, erupted Sunday afternoon northwest of Healdsburg. This does not bode well for the rest of the harvest.
So far, 34,000 acres have burned in California.
This is four times the five-year average for the same period. This sharp rise is primarily attributed to vegetation growth fueled by atmospheric river rains, which have dried out and become highly flammable under the current hot and dry conditions.
More information on smoke taint here.
Let’s hope all stay cool and smoke-free in the coming months.
This may not be new news but I see that RWS (logistics handled by WCC) are now offering a summer hold (ships mid October) for the same price as their summer shipping ($10). I guess their volumes are relatively small compared to Casemates.
@ctmariner They do make it clear their flow is not ‘ship on demand’,
but rather we’ll ship when we think it’s safe to do so.
Could be when you’re out-of-town…
@jmdavidson1Tinned tuna in pesto, my first time seeing that. Kind of a shortcut to pasta alla Carlofortina? I’ll stick to the trad recipe. This might be nice in a sandwich though.
Speaking of, I tried Costco’s jarred pesto, I thought it was quite good.
Don’t know if anybody else has had this happen but the forum pages aren’t loading properly on mobile right now. Seemed to start with a Samsung browser update the other day and it’s affecting lots of sites. The main page on meh is loading the desktop version, for example.
Maybe the IT folks can check out out. I don’t remember who to tag. @WineDavid59@rjquillin
Already a new cyberpub thread, new deal thread, new clue thread, and new “what are you drinking” thread. It seems someone is eager for 2024.![:yum:](https://dj5zo597wtsux.cloudfront.net/joypixels/assets/6.6/png/unicode/64/1f60b.png)
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@kawichris650 bored, and just want '23 to be done, not that '24 will be any better, but likely quite interesting.
@davirom There must be a palate/palette/pallet version out there somewhere…
@davirom @klezman
I’ve looked, perhaps not well enough however
@klezman @rjquillin Not saying this is good, or funny, but at least it’s descriptive.
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@davirom @klezman @rjquillin![enter image description here](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==)
@davirom @rjquillin That image should be used in a slashdown thing. Maybe you can get the powers that be to do it, Ron?
Surprised no one one here is condemning Israel’s killing of innocent Palestinians in Gaza.
@losthighwayz nobody condemned the Hamas massacre, rape, abuse, and hostage taking of Israelis either.
He’s not wrong…
The Timeless Appeal of Champagne and Fried Chicken
An excerpt from a recent email from Scott Harvey
Sensory Perception: During their blending sessions, winemakers Scott and Mollie insist on complete silence in the lab. Music can significantly alter one’s perception of wine. We enjoy conducting experiments with our dinner guests. We place two identical glasses of wine on the table and ask them to assess each separately. After tasting the first glass, we subtly change the music. Not a single person has ever recognized that it was the exact wine. Each person had their preference.
Curious what @winesmith might add to the conversation. Not heard from him in some time now and wondering what’s up in his world…
I did a similar experiment on NPR’s Soundcheck in 2012. It’s an interesting story. I was in Milan, Italy to do an article on the giant winery exhibition SIMEI for Wines & Vines when I got this phone call from NPR. They had cognitive musicologist Daniel Levitin (This Is Your Brain On Music) on a conference call from U. Montreal and wanted us to do a show in a couple hours.
So I found a quiet alley in Milan and Daniel and I cooked up a scheme where we had the host taste three wines while we changed the background music. The host didn’t know what was going on. He described the three wines very differently even though they were the same wine.
I’ve run a lot of crazy experiments in my time, but this one takes the cake.
Hey LA folks! We are going to the Tercero wine dinner at Rustic Kitchen on Thursday this week. They still have room - can we convince anybody to join us?
https://rustickitchen.la/tercero-winemaker-dinner-may-23-2024/
Interesting article to say the least, well I guess foreign bulk wine may be better
I guess what you don’t know won’t hurt you.
https://lodigrowers.com/imported-foreign-bulk-wine-the-dirty-secret-no-one-in-california-wine-is-talking-about/
@ScottW58 Wow, that’s terrible. Clearly they need to require country of origin labelling to be more clear and conspicuous.
@klezman
If you see American wine on the lable run don’t walk I guess.
@ScottW58 Interesting article I had missed. Living on the East coast, the price advantage of European ‘bulk’ quality wines is large and on a price/quality ratio, below the very high end, European wines - especially dry whites - provide both better value and quality. Longtime Casematers and Wooters know I’m a lifelong advocate of California wines, but years of living in the East have made me very much aware of the sound reasons which California wines in the mid-price range and low price range have so much trouble doing well in this part of the country.
@rpm @ScottW58 In the last few years even over here the California wines have continued their price increases and compare less favourably to European whites than they used to.
@klezman @rpm
Yes even when I was on the east coast wine boards 15 or more years ago and I started to buy European wines at the low to mid level it was obvious the difference in bang for your buck and that was a big topic of discussion. I still love good California/Oregon etc wines and buy them but my cellar has changed over the years from over 90% USA wines to 22%. Of course ymmv.
Happy Father’s Day to all the CaseMatey Dads!!!
Cheers!
@karenhynes
Indeed! Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there!
Well, this sounds bad…
"It’s only June, and fires in the wine country and elsewhere in California have already started. The Point Fire, Sonoma County’s first wildfire of the season, erupted Sunday afternoon northwest of Healdsburg. This does not bode well for the rest of the harvest.
So far, 34,000 acres have burned in California.
This is four times the five-year average for the same period. This sharp rise is primarily attributed to vegetation growth fueled by atmospheric river rains, which have dried out and become highly flammable under the current hot and dry conditions.
More information on smoke taint here.
Let’s hope all stay cool and smoke-free in the coming months.
Warm regards,
Scott and Jana"
[mod] to add link here
@InFrom yeah. We really need to suck CO2 or if the atmosphere and reverse this crap.
@InFrom @klezman If only there was some kind of machine that could do that…and perhaps produce Oxygen at the same time…
We may be headed for a lowest number of posts in an offering thread! At 8:30 eastern there are 5: mediocre bot, ilcesare, Mark, and 2 rats!
@davirom
And the Rats weren’t all that excited either.
Standby for some future mystery bottles.
@davirom @rjquillin
Lackluster for sure.
This may not be new news but I see that RWS (logistics handled by WCC) are now offering a summer hold (ships mid October) for the same price as their summer shipping ($10). I guess their volumes are relatively small compared to Casemates.
@ctmariner They do make it clear their flow is not ‘ship on demand’,
but rather we’ll ship when we think it’s safe to do so.
Could be when you’re out-of-town…
@rjquillin Yep - so will be subject to the normal UPS vagaries when trying to put a vacation hold or redirect your wine shipment!
@jmdavidson1 Tinned tuna in pesto, my first time seeing that. Kind of a shortcut to pasta alla Carlofortina? I’ll stick to the trad recipe. This might be nice in a sandwich though.
Speaking of, I tried Costco’s jarred pesto, I thought it was quite good.
@InFrom I only use the jarred tuna for that dish. As you know, there is a difference between that and canned. I’ll check out the Costco pesto. Thanks.
@jmdavidson1 It’s great with jarred tuna, and fresh ain’t too shabby. (I followed this recipe, when I did it with fresh tuna.)
Don’t know if anybody else has had this happen but the forum pages aren’t loading properly on mobile right now. Seemed to start with a Samsung browser update the other day and it’s affecting lots of sites. The main page on meh is loading the desktop version, for example.
Maybe the IT folks can check out out. I don’t remember who to tag.
@WineDavid59 @rjquillin
@klezman Possibly a Crowdstrike thing?
@davirom this started a few days ago. Unrelated I think.
Seems fine on my S9 right now