2017 Casemates Cellars QPR Select Négociant Red Wine Blend, Central Coast
This red blend has aromas of plum, blackberry, mocha and smoky oak followed by rich flavors of black fruit and cassis, with a hint of fresh herbs. Approachable tannins and a round, full body lead to a structured, but soft, lingering finish. Pair with grilled steaks or other hearty dishes.
Vineyard and Winemaking Notes
Monterey County is known for its long growing season, a result of the cool coastal air from Monterey Bay that is pulled down the Salinas Valley each day. This maritime influence has a cooling effect, which allows the grapes to ripen more slowly and evenly. Extra hang-time leads to complex wines that exhibit heightened aromatics, intense fruit flavors and full varietal expression.
This Red Blend comes from sustainably certified estate vineyards that are meticulously farmed throughout the year. The varietals are grown in the southernmost reaches of Monterey County, where warm, sunny days are followed by very chilly nights. This significant temperature differential creates intensity and complexity in the wine.
Upon arrival to the winery, the grapes were destemmed, crushed and fermented in stainless steel tanks. After fermentation, the wine was gently pressed then aged on American and French oak for 10 months. Minimal intervention and careful handling in the cellar ensure that this red blend is fruit-driven and showcases the integrity of all varietals.
Varietal: 82% Cabernet Sauvignon, 8% Merlot, 6% Petit Verdot, 3.5% Syrah, 0.5% Petite Sirah
6x 2017 Casemates Cellars QPR Select Négociant Red Wine Blend
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About The Winery
Winery: Scheid Family Wines
Location: Monterey County, Salinas Valley, CA
Al Scheid first saw untapped potential in Monterey County in 1972 when the wine region was in its infancy. What started as a grape growing operation that sold 100% of its production to other wineries today has evolved into a grapes-to-glass family business that crafts authentic and elegant wines. Our Scheid Family Wines portfolio now includes five unique and distinctive labels: Scheid Vineyards, District 7, Metz Road, VDR and Stokes’ Ghost.
With 12 estate vineyards comprised of 4,000 acres located along a 70-mile spread of the Salinas Valley, the array of microclimates and soils give us an incredible selection to work with each vintage. While our wealth of vineyard resources is exceptional, it is our employees that are at the heart of everything we do. Much of our workforce has been with us for over 25 years, with several of our vineyard managers employed for over 40 years.
The Scheid family – Al, Scott, Heidi and long-time COO Kurt Gollnick – along with our dream team of employees, are passionate about crafting the best wine possible and honoring our commitment to be good stewards of the land and supporters of our local community. We are proud to produce authentic products that sit on your dinner table and invite conversation, connection and warmth.
Too funny. No way I’d put odds on this happening.
I’m all sipped out from the BS to try to do a Rat this morning, but hopefully we both can pen some ascii for this evening. Hopefully there will sanctioned events as well.
How much more are you saving by buying a full case?
(Note: Tax & Shipping not included in savings calculations)
2017 Christmas in July: Casemates Cellars QPR Select Red Wine Blend “Holiday Edition” - $10 = 9.99%
I got the first QPR wine and thought it was decent but not worth it. Any rats on this one to tell us how it’s different?
Also, what happened to the truly excellent wines that WD used to be able to source for the woot cellars label? We could always use some of those!
@chipgreen The problem was the QPR (as in the ratio) wasn’t that good, it seem that’s the main consensus here: the R = Q/P. P was good but Q just wasn’t high enough. Perhaps what we have learned is that there is a lower limit of the Q wherein the equation isn’t applicable anymore, i.e. below a certain Q it doesn’t matter how low the P, and therefore the R gets.
That said, this wasn’t really a “bad” wine, just not, I think, something many want another case of. In the Pacific NW I can get some decent sub-$10 everyday reds (and whites) from places like Columbia Crest, Maryhill, Ch St Michelle. I don’t find most cheap California offerings to be of the same quality; could be regional pricing or just taste preference.
@chipgreen if I recall correctly winemakers made wine specifically for Woot Cellars. Scheid reminds me of Precept wines and I bet this blend was already created and a Casemates label was simply slapped on. I may be wrong but have a strong hunch.
I would not mind paying $15 for a true Woot Cellars-type offering where a trusted winemaker was involved.
@chipgreen@losthighwayz I actually would place precept several levels above Schied as far as general quality goes.
2 very different businesses though.
Precept is a large conglomerate That’s PNW based that owns multiple wineries through acquisition. I think quality hasn’t suffered too much.
Schied is a bit more of mystery.
I think they produce some decent Central Valley wines under their own estate label but produce a lot of other stuff under Various other labels that are from bulk juice (my guess). I think broken earth is similar in this way. I’ve been to Schieds Carmel by sea tasting room and didn’t like much.
My money would easily go to precept over Schied FWIW.
The only reason I don’t regret this purchase is because of how cheap it was. The wine itself wasn’t enjoyable, for my palate at least. Some of the reviewers from last time mentioned sour cherries, and that’s exactly the way I’d describe it.
It’s been a while since I finished it off, but I don’t remember much in the way of tannins. Nor do I remember notes of vanilla, or anything like that. It became a bit better after a day, but having it sit in an opened bottle too long turned it into basically vinegar (even though I use a vacuum sealer).
But hey, it’s $7.50 a bottle, which is cheaper than anything I can find in a local shop that doesn’t look like it’s been made in someone’s bathtub, or have a “warning: may cause blindness” sticker plastered on it. This is the kind of wine you drink out of a brown paper bag in a public park with a friend, and then laugh at the label together, before chasing it down with a swig from a fifth of whiskey.
On the familiar producers conversation going on here for the woot cellars wines (RIP), most of the best of those were produced in a very long term down Economy where there was talent out there available to work with WD to make. Something really pretty special from excess juice that needed to move.
This is not that situation. Schied is a reputable Central Valley bulk grower/producer but they are not Peter, Ty or pedroncelli and others that graced us with really solid interesting wines and an excellent price point. The labels are also not as appealing to those used to the humor of the old labels. I’m guessing the economics are just not there for WD to try and repeat the formula from woot cellars.
But Cory is totally right, those were produced in the days of a wine/grape glut combined with a down economy. We are certainly in a down economy right now, and I’ve heard no end of commentary about the grape glut in NorCal for the last 2 or 3 harvests. Look at the stuff being put out under the Garagiste “Piers” label, the Lastbottle “Sleeper” label, and such. I also saw a post from Larry @ Tercero describing how he’s thinking about the volumes of grapes to purchase this year given the likelihood that he can’t sell to restaurants for quite a while yet.
So I suspect there are deals to be had (and we’ve seen a bunch here already) on regularly labelled wine. I suspect there may be other Mediocre Wine Company offerings in the works, especially given the possibilities around available grapes.
@klezman@KNmeh7 my point was we are only 5 months in. The Great Recession went on for years. And I agree with the way these things go you may not start seeing real interesting things until late this year and next.
You are correct the stock market is not the overall economy, however it does reflect the sentiment that this is a short term down turn.
@CorTot@klezman@KNmeh7 Don’t know if this fits in with the conversation (and in fairness sounds like this offer today has been around for awhile) Cameron Hughes is selling out his current stuff faster than you can say negociant. Seems pretty interesting to me. Of course the jury is still out, not much of that has been tasted yet.
Like @rjquillin, I just happened to open a bottle of this yesterday for some “Christmas in July” sipping. What are the odds?!
Day 1: Same as Day 2, but more tart.
Day 2: Snacking on some Parmesan crisps and sipping this négociant QPR. This is a lighter bodied red, tart cherry and stone fruit notes at the forefront. But mostly the cherry. I also get a little vegetal note, a bit like bell pepper. Possibly a wisp of a woody or vanilla flavor, too.
None of the flavors are bold, and it’s mostly just a light to medium grape and tart cherry vibe.
I find it very easy to drink while snacking on cheese tuiles, but probably wouldn’t put it up against any full meals. I see this as an afternoon to evening sipper, with or without light snacks.
This QPR has a good QPR, IMHO.
I don’t love it, but for the price, I don’t regret my previous purchase at all. Especially since I avoided getting wine charms with it.
@klezman To each their own. But, if you are into math, if your “Q” is average, there is no other way you can get the ratio into what we usually consider “good QPR” unless you reduce the price to something far lower than 7.50.
@kaolis@KNmeh7@ScottW58 I totally agree with you, even if my earlier comment might have come off otherwise.
My only point was that everybody has their own view of Q, their own view of how “expensive” a given P is, and their perception of that ratio.
I haven’t had this particular wine, so I have no opinion on the Q. $7.50/bottle is a solidly cheap Q, even here in California where there are plenty of $6-8 bottles of mass produced plonk. So for me to feel like the QPR was decent, it would have to “perform” like a $10 bottle. For the QPR to be as excellent as advertised, it would have to be as “good” as a $20 or so bottle. I agree that it likely is not that “good”, at least in my view based on the notes we’ve seen so far. (Editorial quotes to reinforce that those are all matters of opinion, not fact.)
@KNmeh7 Totally agree on the TJ’s wines. With the Charles Shaw (aka two buck chuck) wines there is an excellent QPR. The organic label wines are also nice. Under the TJ label they also have some excellent values. For those of you not fortunate to have a Trader Joe’s in your vicinity I feel for you. I have been shopping TJ’s for some 50 yrs. They use to have wines under their label that were just relabeled wines from good wineries. Their description wouldn’t say what winery it was from but once you pulled the cork you could see the name imprinted on it.
I think where this falls apart is that on this site, one can find higher “Q” wines sporting a name brand for a similar price. Here you have a passable unbranded bulk wine and while it ain’t bad, it’s really not offering much discount. At $5 however…
Wow - you guys and gals can be pretty rough around here!
First off, Scheid is a top notch organization with many of their vineyards in Monterey County, not the Central Valley. Yep, they are big operation but QPR is up there IMHO. A winery I used to work with used to get Monterey County pinot from there and it was definitely worth it quality wise.
Second, and as some have said, QPR is truly in the eyes of the beholder. Some discuss Cameron Hughes - he has been a negotiating for decades and his relationships with wineries allows him to do things most others simply cannot due. And his current stuff sounds interesting but a) you must buy it in case lots AND b) you are purchasing them on futures, before they are bottled.
Last but not least, the staff here does an awesome job finding great QPR wines and offering them to you - oftentimes at prices well below the regular customers of said wineries can purchase for. Great for you - price challenging for wineries, especially small ones like mine. I hope to be able to do more deals here,and I’m certain I will, but please take into account the winery’s situation as well.
@tercerowines@Winedavid49 I agree with you. I chose to take a massive pay cut to live where I live. I so appreciate this site as I could not afford these lovely wines normally. Plus the winemakers interactions are amazing. I hope you continue to offer your wine here as it is amazing. I have bought this current offer twice and it has long since been consumed.
@tercerowines Agreed, Larry. I’ve had wines from Scheid that I’ve both enjoyed and less so. I visited their tasting room in Monterey once upon a time, too, and walked out with a couple bottles.
I think the main thing here (for most) isn’t Scheid. It’s the expectation that the Woot Cellars reputation for amazing wine at ridiculous prices (e.g. a Ty Caton blend for $10/bottle when his own-labeled stuff was $35-40) would carry over to the Casemates/Meh label. Some of us are disappointed that although the price is even lower than for the Woot Cellars wines, the perceived quality on the two “QPR” wines was fairly low. Basically, WineDavid spoiled us and we’re pining for the old days!
@klezman Don’t we all pine for the old days? Give me some mid 80’s Napa or Sonoma cabs and I’m a much happier person than having modern cabs for the most part for example. My guess is that if they decide to continue to offer their own wines, you will see perhaps ‘better’ values if the current economic state of affairs continues as long as some say it will . . .
@klezman@tercerowines I have actually disliked both Scheid purchases on here. No personality imo. So my beef IS with the producer! But there is a market for Scheid based on them continuing to show up. Just not my style. I’d rather spend $10 at GSO on a wine from a trusted producer that had to be moved. Plus i can buy one or two bottles as opposed to 12!
@tercerowines to be fair quality of grapes and/or vineyard reputation does not always translate to a great wine. I am sure you’ll agree that the winemaker has a lot to do with the final product. In this case, Scheid may have great fruit that is sourced by others. However, I found their wine meh in my limited experience with ones produced by Scheid .
@KitMarlot I would love to be able to sell more wine to Casemates and become more involved - the economics of it are pretty challenging and to get to that QPR price point, I would end up having to become a ‘negociant’ and would have to source finished wines to blend to my liking. Not what I currently do - but as a wise person once told me, never say never . . .
Opened my last bottle yesterday after seeing the offer. I enjoyed it thoroughly. In for a case. Not sure why the peeps are harshing on the charms… donate them, turn them into earrings, wrap them up for the holiday dice game or use them.
@cynthylee That’s the way the ‘wine game’ goes - if someone does not like it they tend to really bag on it. At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks - the ‘negativity’ creates an environment where some are scared to go in, and that’s a shame (to me at least) . . .