I debated on one a couple years back. I don’t keep a bottle that long to really need it. Calculate how much the cartridges will cost you too. I bought 3 bottles of the Ag in a can that looks like a keyboard duster; it has lasted me (still going) over 1.5years and it cost around 20 bucks. I would like to hear from someone who actually has one though.
@TechnoViking I’m not looking to seal already opened bottles, since we rarely have any wine left after opening one. I’m looking to check bottles to see if I should be opening them or letting them sit longer.
@jmdavidson1
First off I don’t have one but my thoughts are that the Coravin would be great to sample multiple nicely aged bottles that you want to drink/finish over a 3 to 6 month period, which would really enhance your daily drinking experience! I have some friends who do this.
I don’t think they are made to take a glass and then decide to let the wine rest for another 5 or 10 years? Well at least I would not trust it to do that.
@ScottW58 Thanks for the perspective. I should check to see if there is a correlation between the date a wine is sampled and the effect that sampling has on the drinking window.
@TechnoViking If it works as well as it is promoted, it will pay for itself rather quickly. There is nothing worse than holding a really nice bottle of wine, only to open it and find that it is over the hill. This seems like a no-brainer purchase, but I am just looking for some enabling.
I had a thread on WW with pics. I’ll see if I can find it again. Mostly cobbled together stuff in had in the garage. I think I did end up purchasing a digital pressure/flow meter. Other than that, I had everything already, including the cylinder of Argon.
Girlfriend really wants one, I keep saying no it isn’t worth it. She doesn’t have a glass and stop, and I don’t feel we have enough that needs proper aging that taking a taste out to check is worth it either. I also don’t like that would have to buy argon cartridges.
@raccoon81 the cartridges are what turn me off. I even did a winesaver, but didn’t like it since it was CO2 vs AR. And I wanted refillable canisters. Some day I might try it again.
Coravin guarantees the wine for 5 years after initial puncture. I had wine from a coravin in a bottle that had been “open” (cork still in) for about a year and it was still super fresh. That was at a winery in napa.
@147235 Huh? How does Coravin guarantee a wine? If your DRC doesn’t meet your expectations after being “punctured” at 5 days or 5 months or 5 years they replace your bottle?
You’ll have to forgive me that was information from a friend whom i trusted. Apparently i should not have as when i looked on the website nothing like that information could be found. Sorry for putting bad info out there. Coravin has a device warantee on the website and nothing about wine guarantees. What i can tell you is that the wine ive tried that used the coravin system was intact. Take that for what you will. Again my appologies for putting ot unresearched information.
I have one. I personally don’t use it much, mainly because I do not trust it. I would trust it to make a bottle last a few weeks, but months or years is different. I suppose now I will have to grab some test bottles, sample them, and then do a blind taste test comparison over time. Damn.
I’m intrigued, but not enough to buy one at this point. Perhaps @snapster or @winedavid49 can get a killer deal and throw it up on Morningsave or Meh or Casemates…? The Coravin or some WineKeeper (or similar) system would be cool.
I know this is a very old thread but still relevant. I’ve been using a Coravin for a couple months now, mostly to try bottles or just take a single glass, since usually that’s all I’ll have (wife is rarely drinking). I’ve recently been finding that several of my bottles have been seeping from the needle point, to the point that I’m finding a significant amount has leaked onto the bottom of my wine coolers. I suppose it wouldn’t be an issue if my bottles were propped, however these are all fully horizontal.
At this point, I really don’t trust using it for any bottles of significant value until I figure out how to prevent the leakage. So far no impact to the quality of the wine, the two bottles I’ve found bad leakage from (both Gard surprisingly) were uncorked and perfectly fine.
@deadlyapp Why would you store a corevinned bottle sideways? I’d just leave them upright. Helps with any sediment accumulating and it also helps with the leakage.
At least you know that by injecting CO2 or nitrogen (or whatever it is) that even if the needle hole slightly leaks then you still have quite a while until oxygen gets in.
@deadlyapp@klezman@rjquillin
I always stand the bottle I stabbed up for a day then lay it down in my cellar and have had no problem with leakage. But all really depends if you have a good cork that is still elastic for that reason I never us it on a old bottle.
@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58 I don’t have the luxury of coolers that allow me to stand my wine upright. There’s no reason why I should have to based on the marketing that the cork remains sealed.
The oldest bottle I’ve used it on is a 2005 (the Nysa Pinot) and it hasn’t had any significant leakage. The two I’ve had bad leakage on are the Gard cab and Gard syrah which both have very tight synthetic corks (but are unlabeled). I have had meh results on a Normacorc select green 500 but still had bubbles and leakage (La Luna E I Falo barbera from Costco).
I may have to try the standing up for a day first, I just don’t really have a good way to do so without going through a temp cycle of 55 deg - > 70 deg - > 55 deg which isn’t that big of a deal if I plan to drink within the year anyways.
@deadlyapp@klezman@ScottW58
I’d suggest that by standing it upright, you allow the overpressure in the bottle to escape thru the stab, and once it’s equalized and you lay it down, there is no remaining internal pressure to push juice.
@deadlyapp@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58
From Coravin FAQs:
The most likely reason that a cork will leak is that you have used the Coravin System with a synthetic closure. Although this will not damage the Coravin wine needle and will still allow you to pour wine, the cork will not reseal and oxidation will occur over time. If you have accessed a bottle with a synthetic closure, store it upright.
@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58 I hadn’t thought about the thermodynamics of it much, since argon shouldn’t go through much temperature change going from the pressurized capsule to the low pressure bottle, and once in a cellar the lower temperature should yield a lower pressure inside the bottle, but certainly leaving the bottle out and allowing it (and the argon) to warm up would blow off any excess pressure.
It’s crazy, a bottle I took out of the cellar tonight, with minimal leakage, started bubbling through the cork as soon as being propped upright.
@karenhynes@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58 well then. That’s what I get for not reading the fine print. How’s someone supposed to guess at their cork material when you don’t uncork it!
I debated on one a couple years back. I don’t keep a bottle that long to really need it. Calculate how much the cartridges will cost you too. I bought 3 bottles of the Ag in a can that looks like a keyboard duster; it has lasted me (still going) over 1.5years and it cost around 20 bucks. I would like to hear from someone who actually has one though.
@TechnoViking I’m not looking to seal already opened bottles, since we rarely have any wine left after opening one. I’m looking to check bottles to see if I should be opening them or letting them sit longer.
@jmdavidson1
First off I don’t have one but my thoughts are that the Coravin would be great to sample multiple nicely aged bottles that you want to drink/finish over a 3 to 6 month period, which would really enhance your daily drinking experience! I have some friends who do this.
I don’t think they are made to take a glass and then decide to let the wine rest for another 5 or 10 years? Well at least I would not trust it to do that.
@ScottW58 Thanks for the perspective. I should check to see if there is a correlation between the date a wine is sampled and the effect that sampling has on the drinking window.
@jmdavidson1 @ScottW58 I’m thinking the same, and although I have a fully functional Ar system, the sample function is quite inviting.
@jmdavidson1 Here’s a nice discussion.
@TechnoViking If it works as well as it is promoted, it will pay for itself rather quickly. There is nothing worse than holding a really nice bottle of wine, only to open it and find that it is over the hill. This seems like a no-brainer purchase, but I am just looking for some enabling.
@rjquillin What’s your fully functioning system?
@rjquillin @vaaccess
This is rjq’s system
@ScottW58 @vaaccess
You stole @CorTot 's pic, almost.
I had a thread on WW with pics. I’ll see if I can find it again. Mostly cobbled together stuff in had in the garage. I think I did end up purchasing a digital pressure/flow meter. Other than that, I had everything already, including the cylinder of Argon.
@TechnoViking
Ag ≠ Ar
@rjquillin Pretty cheap for 3 cans of silver!
Girlfriend really wants one, I keep saying no it isn’t worth it. She doesn’t have a glass and stop, and I don’t feel we have enough that needs proper aging that taking a taste out to check is worth it either. I also don’t like that would have to buy argon cartridges.
@raccoon81 the cartridges are what turn me off. I even did a winesaver, but didn’t like it since it was CO2 vs AR. And I wanted refillable canisters. Some day I might try it again.
Coravin guarantees the wine for 5 years after initial puncture. I had wine from a coravin in a bottle that had been “open” (cork still in) for about a year and it was still super fresh. That was at a winery in napa.
@147235 that’s amazing… Never would have thought that to be true!
@147235 Huh? How does Coravin guarantee a wine? If your DRC doesn’t meet your expectations after being “punctured” at 5 days or 5 months or 5 years they replace your bottle?
@147235 @kaolis
Never happen
No interest. No argon. If I’m opening I’m drinking. Soon. But that’s just me.
You’ll have to forgive me that was information from a friend whom i trusted. Apparently i should not have as when i looked on the website nothing like that information could be found. Sorry for putting bad info out there. Coravin has a device warantee on the website and nothing about wine guarantees. What i can tell you is that the wine ive tried that used the coravin system was intact. Take that for what you will. Again my appologies for putting ot unresearched information.
I have one. I personally don’t use it much, mainly because I do not trust it. I would trust it to make a bottle last a few weeks, but months or years is different. I suppose now I will have to grab some test bottles, sample them, and then do a blind taste test comparison over time. Damn.
@Twich22 Have you by chance gotten around to trying that?
@kawichris650 Nope
I’m intrigued, but not enough to buy one at this point. Perhaps @snapster or @winedavid49 can get a killer deal and throw it up on Morningsave or Meh or Casemates…? The Coravin or some WineKeeper (or similar) system would be cool.
@vaaccess I second that idea.
I know this is a very old thread but still relevant. I’ve been using a Coravin for a couple months now, mostly to try bottles or just take a single glass, since usually that’s all I’ll have (wife is rarely drinking). I’ve recently been finding that several of my bottles have been seeping from the needle point, to the point that I’m finding a significant amount has leaked onto the bottom of my wine coolers. I suppose it wouldn’t be an issue if my bottles were propped, however these are all fully horizontal.
At this point, I really don’t trust using it for any bottles of significant value until I figure out how to prevent the leakage. So far no impact to the quality of the wine, the two bottles I’ve found bad leakage from (both Gard surprisingly) were uncorked and perfectly fine.
@deadlyapp Why would you store a corevinned bottle sideways? I’d just leave them upright. Helps with any sediment accumulating and it also helps with the leakage.
At least you know that by injecting CO2 or nitrogen (or whatever it is) that even if the needle hole slightly leaks then you still have quite a while until oxygen gets in.
@deadlyapp @klezman
It’s Ar
True cork, or some composite or synthetic?
@deadlyapp @klezman @rjquillin
I always stand the bottle I stabbed up for a day then lay it down in my cellar and have had no problem with leakage. But all really depends if you have a good cork that is still elastic for that reason I never us it on a old bottle.
@klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58 I don’t have the luxury of coolers that allow me to stand my wine upright. There’s no reason why I should have to based on the marketing that the cork remains sealed.
The oldest bottle I’ve used it on is a 2005 (the Nysa Pinot) and it hasn’t had any significant leakage. The two I’ve had bad leakage on are the Gard cab and Gard syrah which both have very tight synthetic corks (but are unlabeled). I have had meh results on a Normacorc select green 500 but still had bubbles and leakage (La Luna E I Falo barbera from Costco).
I may have to try the standing up for a day first, I just don’t really have a good way to do so without going through a temp cycle of 55 deg - > 70 deg - > 55 deg which isn’t that big of a deal if I plan to drink within the year anyways.
@deadlyapp @klezman @ScottW58
I’d suggest that by standing it upright, you allow the overpressure in the bottle to escape thru the stab, and once it’s equalized and you lay it down, there is no remaining internal pressure to push juice.
@deadlyapp @klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58
From Coravin FAQs:
The most likely reason that a cork will leak is that you have used the Coravin System with a synthetic closure. Although this will not damage the Coravin wine needle and will still allow you to pour wine, the cork will not reseal and oxidation will occur over time. If you have accessed a bottle with a synthetic closure, store it upright.
@klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58 I hadn’t thought about the thermodynamics of it much, since argon shouldn’t go through much temperature change going from the pressurized capsule to the low pressure bottle, and once in a cellar the lower temperature should yield a lower pressure inside the bottle, but certainly leaving the bottle out and allowing it (and the argon) to warm up would blow off any excess pressure.
It’s crazy, a bottle I took out of the cellar tonight, with minimal leakage, started bubbling through the cork as soon as being propped upright.
@karenhynes @klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58 well then. That’s what I get for not reading the fine print. How’s someone supposed to guess at their cork material when you don’t uncork it!
@deadlyapp @karenhynes @rjquillin @ScottW58 Most synthetic corks are pretty obvious if you take the capsule off.
@karenhynes @klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58 I’ll admit, I hadn’t been doing that
@deadlyapp @klezman @rjquillin
That and standing it up for a while will allow the cork to expand and close.