And you said there weren’t “inside jokes” on ww… Perhaps not jokes, but you are using a lot of jargon above, which amounts to the same thing. (And maybe it wasn’t you… but someone did, complaining about meh.com inside jokes.)
What means wtso? fs4? afwe?
Or did I just catch you while you were still editing the post? (Got another minute to see…)
@baqui63 To be fair, those are generally terms that are ubiquitous throughout the wine deal seeking internet fora. WineBerserkers and CellarTracker both have a forum and you will see those acronyms and such everywhere.
AFWE dates to a Robert Parker post (back when he had a forum on his site) complaining about the “anti-flavour wine elite”. i.e. anybody who didn’t agree with his palate preferences.
@baqui63 We really do like Scott and what he does, but the ‘winemakers reserve’ that this is is more of a commissioned product and a bit more entry level/transitional for those that prefer a bit of RS (residual sugar). His InZinerator line really shines as a crowd pleaser.
@kawichris650 wtso has been known to contract with wineries to make blends specifically for them. Scott Harvey is among those who’ve done that. They’ve also been less than honest about retail prices for comparison points.
That said, when you know what they’re offering, they can have great prices. Like iron horse estate chardonnay for $18 yesterday.
@klezman Did you get “in” for the WTSO Class Action case for “Dishonest Pricing?” I just got a postcard in the mail out of the blue about it a week or two ago with my claim # and this site: http://www.winesettlement.com/
Did you get “in” for the WTSO Class Action case for “Dishonest Pricing?” I just got a postcard in the mail out of the blue about it a week or two ago with my claim # and this site: http://www.winesettlement.com/
I am “in”, but never bought any of the wines listed on the schedules. So I am “out”. Not that I care, to be honest. If you buy the wine solely because of some imaginary list price it’s on you, imo.
@kawichris650 that’s because my entire post was one line. The appearance of multiple lines was the result of the width of the forum forcing text wrapping as opposed to explicit line breaks. Here’s an example where multiple > are required:
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened
The birds began to sing;
Wasn’t that a dainty dish,
To set before the king.
The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money;
The queen was in the parlour,
Eating bread and honey.
The maid was in the garden,
Hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her nose.
@jmdavidson1 I have bought wine with them a good bit - they have some really fun stuff. The concept is actually great - basically, fund winemakers who often have to make what the man who signs the check says to make (cab, pinot, chard etc) - instead, they make more interesting wine, and if you are an “angel” (monthly credit contributor, where credit is used to fund more wine but it is in your balance to be used to buy wine), the QPR is quite good… and they have higher end stuff too on occasion (Barolo, Champagne, 1er Crus and the like). I buy about once-to-twice a year - and they give you a free bottle with every case, sometimes a nice magnum around the holidays.
Are there not enough known good wines to buy? Just the fact that they are giving you $100 should throw up some red flags…no? At least whatever that company was that was giving out vouchers a number of years ago was letting you buy known wines. No offense intended Jm just MHO
@ScottW58 I did get some pretty good wines from the Lot18 vouchers. In the last four or five years, since the vouchers stopped, I haven’t bought anything from them. OK, so I’ll take your advise and forget about the $100 voucher. Bring on the Casemates offers.
@ScottW58 "Lot18 is now Tasting Room!
Our name may be different now, but we have all the same great wines, plus a subscription club where you can get customized selections delivered right to your door!
Come check us out at TastingRoom.com. If you find that your login isn’t working, just reset your password.
For those who don’t want to start signing up and/or checking a million sites each day, I find https://vinelog.com/Deals/Index a good place to start. If for no other reason than it aggregates some of the “major” wine sites…
others include wtso.com, lot18, invino…
I think Invino has some pretty interesting deals, but you have to scour the deals in order to get one. The wines on Winespies seem to be mostly “undiscovered” wines, but again I have bought some interesting ones from them. Hard to beat the bin sales at Benchmark. Their daily offerings are strictly retail. I have been able to buy/try wines from them that I would otherwise not have been able to.
I havent had their vintage blanc de noirs before, but the couple vintage blanc de blancs have been great QPR. I haven’t had one of their wines I didn’t enjoy, especially considering the price. I would be willing to take a flier on it if we had room.
What does the group think, avoiding groupthink, of garagiste? Variety of price points, Washington State and European wines, with an occasional South American thrown in the mix, always your choice of number purchased, twice a year shipping of full cases? Thoughts? Bueller? Anyone?
@msten I’ve gotten some excellent wines from them, including some that have become annual purchases, like Saint-Siffrein CdP and most Red Newt Riesling and CF Rose offers. He also gets some nice older French and Italian bottles from time to time, usually at nice price points. But, of course, you need to ignore the ridiculous verbiage and learn how to turn his “prose” into actual information.
@msten I buy from Garagiste pretty regularly. I have had decent results, some clunkers, some bargains. Anecdotally I’d say the outcomes closely resemble wine.woot. The semi-annual shipping is a blessing and a curse. It’s always exhilarating to open the cases (generally Oct & March) because I’ve forgotten much of what I’ve ordered. The downside is I’ve also forgotten why I ordered these lots of misfit toys. I’ve attempted to print out the offers and consult when I pull a bottle, but that takes more effort than I’m usually willing to give. I use Full Pull as well, and find it easier to look up the sales pitch on the website to remind me why I bought the wine in the first place.
@kainc I enter in cellartracker as soon as I get the confirmation. Easier that way.
You can also log in to the account tracking system and now it has links to the full text of every offer that you’ve requested (I think even if you don’t get allocated).
@rjquillin True, but each case also comes with a packing list. Unless you’re buying enough mystery offers that you can’t figure out which bottle goes with which offer then you still can access the offer text. (I’ve lucked out on some of the mystery offers, but of course ymmv.)
@klezman In the past I have intentionally not added pending bottles to my CT in an effort to assuage my concerns that I have too much wine already, you w.w enablers wouldn’t understand . You make a good point though, doing so may actually enhance the experience.
Jon acts like/writes like every wine he offers should be bought. I have had some very nice wines from him, but you have to research his offers (as much as is possible). As you should with every wine site’s offer.
@rc70 Looking at CT, that’s right at the average pricing, so no great deal there except for fs. re: tasting notes, anyone that claims in '16 that it’s “nearly at it’s peak” and I’ll quit reading reviews from them in the future. Generalizing it seems '11 was a weaker year, but the gems can still shine. I did get the '12 yesterday.
That average price is because people have been buying it at that price from tso for awhile, including me previously, the 11 may not be as good as the 07 10 12 but it is tasty now and will be tasty down the road, especially at $50 the fs1 was a bonus for folks that wanted to try it I was just adding inventory for future consumption. I’ve had it from previous purchases, long way from peak imho.
@InFrom Hi InFrom! I remember you writing about that on woot. I decided to sleep on this one but it was still available this morning so I grabbed a 6er. Willing to part with a bottle or two if we happen to be back in Buffalo at the same time next year…
@jmdavidson1 Picked up the following:
2011 QTR CS
2001 Feudi San Gregorio Serpico
2006 D.R. Stephens CS Walther Vyd River Block
2013 Peay Vyds Syrah La Bruma
2002 La Brancaia Ilatraia Maremma
2008 Rasa Vyds QED
2007 Taplin CS Terra 9
2007 Parallel CS
Please provide a definition of BD, for those of us who are innocent of that knowledge. I even tried Google (and as any sane person knows, there’s almost no search term you can use that will provide the meaning for an abbreviation).
@jml326 None for the '14 vintage, yet, but there for 8 prior vintages dating from 2004. And you’ll note @klezman and others here on CM have bottles in their cellars. Klez’s comment was, I believe, generic in that Kendric consistently makes good wine.
@jml326 I’m wondering if they still exist…
I seem to recall one could forward a link for a new user to use, but looking at my account, I don’t see a way to create one. I’m not legally blind, but at times it sure seems that way…
Did anyone else bite on Last Bottle’s current offer, half bottles of a Spanish old vine Garnacha for $7, FS on 12? San Valero Particular Garnacha Old Vine 2014. I read up on the region and the winery, and figured, why not?
PS if anyone new to that site is interested in signing up with them for a $10 coupon toward your first purchase, I would be happy to cooperate. Just say the word (and provide me with your email, preferably via a PM on Woot).
@jml326 Never heard of it before. After reading the info on their website it’s probably not something that I would take part in personally but I think it’s an intriguing idea and props to them for coming up with it.
I would be remiss if I did not pass along the offer still available (or should I say re-opened) on the Wine Berserker website for Veleta products. Go to the Wine Berserker Day thread for 2018, look up the Veleta thread. Until Monday, the 19th, there is free shipping with the shipping code. If you have not tried, at least the canned sardines or tuna, you are missing something very delicious. I was in for the sardines, evoo and some cheese.
In my cellar I have some 2009 ACV Right Bank, which is drinking beautifully now. LastBottleWines has the 2014 for $39/bottle. FS w/3. A great price for a delicious wine. But this is a wine that should be put away for 2 - 4 more years. Buy only if you can be patient; you will be rewarded. (74% CF, 26% Merlot).
@rc70 you just beat me to it, while I was shopping…
They had one Cathedral left! 2015 Scott Harvey 1869 Zinfandel
This smokes the club price. @winedavid49, why aren’t you snapping up these deals for us?
Intriguing offer on Lastbottlewines.com, 2013 World’s End Against the Wind Reserve cab franc at $24, f/s with 4. Various websites (vivino, etc.) give it nice reviews and past couple of vintages on CT have been good reviews.
I thought about those but between some of their marathon bottles and the Vineyard 1869 have way overspent this week, just couldn’t get myself to pull the trigger. If you get some let me know how it is for future purchase.
@jmdavidson1 I think I missed the whisper. This thread.
Whispers, for me, still seem to be difficult to locate after first posted. Likely I’m missing a way to find them. I think Klez has the same feelings.
When I click on your name, I don’t see whispers directed at me, and that would be helpful, as well as some other notification, other than email, that someone is trying to say something. @dave
Well, for starters, I first had Flannery burger blend without knowing that was the source. At Berserkerfest in Santa Ynez a few years ago. Best sliders I’d ever had. I’ve made 4 different blends now, including the ones I just ordered. 25% each unless otherwise noted:
Wagyu chuck/prime hanger/dry aged ends @ 50%
Wagyu chuck/prime hanger/dry aged ends/wagyu short ribs
Wagyu chuck/choice short ribs/prime brisket/dry aged ends
So you see I have a few things I keep returning to. It’s not like I’ve done a blind comparison, but I really like the dry aged flavour, which is why one of my two new orders is 50% dry aged ends. I also don’t like my burgers too fatty (I can’t figure out how to keep the juices in when I do that) so I steer clear of the suet/fat blends. (But if you get a blend with one of those in it, I’d love to taste it.) Basically I weigh out cost vs Bryan’s flavour rating out of 5 and read the descriptions. Ends up being about $10-12/lb, and we use them when we want really spectacular burgers. With 4 lbs remaining in the freezer, the additional 10 lbs will probably do us for a few years.
@mrn1 I got the email…
Live Saturday, July 28, 2018
3 Pack of 2010 Cabernet Franc $120 $64.99
3 Pack of 2013 Cabernet Sauvignon $150 $99.99
3 Pack of 2017 Grenache Dry Rose $90 $54.99
Or Try One of Each:
Retail $130.00 Rue La La Offer $69.99
This is the first I have seen of the 2013 Cab Sauv and 2017 Rose. Looking at Clark’s website, I see the Cab Sauv is from Lake County and the Rose from Santa Cruz. I am tempted by both but have an aversion to RLL.
I have had several bottles of an earlier Pennyfarthing Rose by Clark that were excellent although they were Rose of Cab Sauv not Grenache (and cost under $10 apiece). However, I have had nothing but positive experiences with Clark’s wines so am always willing to purchase based on past results alone.
In reviewing the “ledger” of our spate of swaps, it looks like I’m in the black so if you want to be the enabler, I’m willing to go in on either or both and am flexible re: quantity.
@chipgreen@mrn1 Clark brought the rose with him to the Tour finale dinner. None of our palates were still in good shape, but we liked it well enough. It was a lighter/whiter end of rose, not a bright pink version.
Ha! I’ll bet. Reminds me of the evening poolside tasting on the 2012 tour when WD, Neil, et.al. brought 2-3 dozen wines setup on multiple tables. I must have been affected by spending all day in the sun along with having palate fatigue because every wine tasted salty to me. Have never thought “salty” before or since when tasting/drinking wine.
Even though summer is winding down and the days for sitting on the patio and sipping rose will soon be over, how can I say no to Clark’s Grenache Rose. I bought three, and will let one head your way. I have free shipping on RLL, so let me know if you want anything else and I’ll go ahead and order it.
Congruence is in the final stages of clearing their inventory of Napa cabs. 08, 09, 11, and 14 vintages, $25-40 ea, 5 and 10 case discounts for splits. Anyone interested in the nyc metro area and eastern pa send me a PM for details.
For those in LA who like Tercero (@CorTot@ScottW58@time2testit@losthiwayz@merrybill), I was at Wine House picking up some stuff and noticed that they have 2010 The Climb on closeout for $18 and 2016 Cinsault for $20. Far better than any direct pricing for both.
Have to share this and believe a few here will understand, picked up 4, yes four, bottles of Princess & the Peasant City of 10,000 Buddhas Carignan from the bottom rack of the Heinen’s grocery store in downtown Cleveland for $13.99 each! I then promptly bought a lottery ticket. Now I can drink the one bottle I got last Bday.
The only thing resembling information that might reveal the identity suggests that it’s actually from Pillitteri. Maybe dumping some off-year stuff, but for them an off-year is probably still pretty good!
@ScottW58 Looks less like a deals site and more like a “regular” outlet site. Inevitably I’ll miss a couple great deals, but that’s why I wait for the rest of you to let me know!
They do have a SQN and some high end stuff…
Yep, it’s true – the BPWine you know (and hopefully love) is now First Bottle. It’s going to be EPIC, too. Read on for the details. The only thing that is REALLY changing is MORE WINE, FREE SHIPPING, and an easier, cleaner, faster website. Did we mention free shipping!?
That Cornerstone Oakville Station Cab is up at LB for $49 again ($95 from the winery), free ship with 3. I just want 1, so anybody in SoCal want to split a 3 pack? Deal expiration will probably be around kick-off tomorrow.
@radiolysis@rjquillin I’m in Orange County and see Mr Quillin at least a couple of times a year, so there’s that if you don’t come up for a gathering yourself sometime. I’m about 50/50 for the one in Glendora in Nov myself. BTW, LB uses GSO for California shipments, so weather is rarely a factor with them.
@radiolysis@rjquillin I was happy to find a local store selling Gruet for $10. I picked up a few bottles (including the demi-sec – haven’t tried it yet, but the store rep said it is not particularly sweet).
Our 2016 Lot 96 Petite Sirah is lavishly spicy and fruit-forward. Crushed blueberry and cinnamon flavors are complemented by deep shades of red and purple. This wine will be thoroughly enjoyed casually or with a fine meal.
To place your order over the phone, please call (707) 433-7272 ext 209 or
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2015 Anne Amie Vineyards Pinot Noir, Willamette Valley, Oregon: 2 Bottles
93 Points, Robert Parker’s Wine Advocate
Our estate vineyard rests on the unique Mineral Springs ridge in Yamhill-Carlton and in the shadow of the Pacific Coast Range, which accounts for a growing season of warm, dry days and cool nights. This blend of our Pommard (P4) and Dijon 115 clones (grown on Willakenzie soil) and uplifted marine sediment, shows the depth of fruit and rich tannins that exemplify the vineyard that we affectionately call our “backyard.”
Aroma: red cherry, black plum, forest floor, stems, baking spice, cola, leather
Flavor: wild cherry, anise, blackberry, tar, horehound, black pepper
Finish: long and structured with nice acidity
Suggested Food Pairing: rib eye, lamb shank, venison, wild mushroom and burrata bruschetta, pork collar, fresh egg tagliatelle with parmesan, wild boar chili, oeufs en meurette, salmon
Varietal Composition: 100% Pinot Noir
Appellation: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Barrel Regime: Aged for 16 months in French oak (23.9% new, 35.8% one year old, 40.3% neutral)
@mwfielder Haven’t received mine, just ordered.
Generally I’ll just backfill an opened bottle with Ar from my tank, but the ability to sample is appealing, and I’ve generally heard good things about these.
And, I just like gadgets…
More like wishful thinking… although I wouldn’t be surprised to see IH make an appearance with NYE coming up soon. As much as we love everything they make, our long-standing favorite is the Brut Rosé. Our second favorite was the 2010 Winter’s Cuvee. Would love to try a newer vintage!
2015 Bonny Doon “De Proprio Gravitas” white blend on Last Bottle, $10, FS on 6. Looks like it’s in the same line as the Proper Pink, etc. that we saw last year on W.woot, at the same price. I did enjoy the Pink and the Moscato from that offer, not sure I got to try the Claret.
Not that anyone got to review the Gravitas white back then, but I linked to the discussion nonetheless, by way of saying “Hey! Old discussion threads seem to be back!” Though I’m not sure how far back they go at this point.
If anyone would like a referral link (for a $10 credit) from last bottle, please say so, I’d be happy to oblige. (So generous, I am!)
@mwfielder If you do think, the offer is gone. Kind of a ridiculous offering. Who has the time to babysit the website, only to discover that they weren’t offering that much anyway? The really good one’s are their for a nanosecond. I’ve had’em disappear when I had them in my cart and only to disappear.
@jmdavidson1@mwfielder yeah I’ve been trying to do quick background research on the offers (literally 2 mins) and the couple times I was thinking I’d buy, it was gone. Free shipping is pretty sweet at least
I had it up in the background at work today and periodically took a quick look, grabbed a few bottles of 2013 Rôtie Cellars Southern Blend @26, good juice and a good delivered price. But that was the extent of my buys, as you said they roll over quick.
@CorTot I got four. The two splits I mentioned above, and one each of 2007 and 2011 Weekender Meritage. Almost got the 2012 for a verticalish thing, but didn’t want to drop more money on completely unknown juice.
@radiolysis@mwfielder@jmdavidson1 I got one of those half burgundy bottles. I was pondering whether to get more, as it seemed like a great deal. Only up for a few minutes. Some German Rieslings were only up for about 20 seconds. I decided the next “JJ Prum” Rieslings that came up, I was getting it, because I kept missing out by researching. I got two half bottles of 2014 Kabinett, and by mistake two JJ Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Spatlese Riesling 2015 Magnums for $45 each. I meant to just get one, but slipped on the button trying to click in time. From the reviews though, it sounds like I might eventually be happy I got 2.
@radiolysis Yeah, it’s a proper smaller producer in Niagara, which makes it a fair price for sure. Mine had the Chateau des Charmes the last couple years as well. I prefer Reif Estate overall, so I was happy to see them there.
@rjquillin@ScottW58 Well, the sale is over. The first guy I talked to said they could do the free shipping but then the other guy said it was suspended for their sale. Irritating.
I’ll trek out there if I have to, but hopefully Scott will make it there first
@hscottk@rjquillin@ScottW58 I got some Wind Gap Syrah from Rimmerman a couple years ago and quite liked it. Pax sold the brand last year, and the owners are clearing out all the Wind Gap wines. I’ve got a bevy of them inbound between Garagiste and K&L. $15 for the Sonoma Coast Syrah is less than I paid Garagiste, but that was for the 2009. Also have a fair bit of Pinot coming in as well.
Underground Cellar is selling Amazon gift cards with automatic upgrades. $25 apiece, you will mostly get $27 and $30 cards but could get lucky and get up to $1,000.
I spent $300 total and got $353 (9x $27, 2x $30, 1x $50) in gift cards, fwiw. Not like winning the lottery but if there’s one website where I will spend it anyway, it’s Amazon, so I’ll take the $50+ bonus! YMMV
Hmmm, didn’t think I was that special haha. It did say that it was for first time gift card buyers, maybe that’s the problem? Sorry I should have added that caveat.
Johndrow Howell Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon 2014 Cimarossa Vineyards for $50 on WTSO in the “More Wines” section. Howell Mt. Cab for $50… anyone have experience with this one?
Varietal Breakdown: 100% Cabernet Sauvignon
Appellation: 100% Howell Mountain, Napa Valley
Vineyard: 100% Cimarossa Vineyard - elevation ranges of 1700-2000 feet, several soil types, and sun exposures from the east, west, and north.
Harvest Date: October 6, 2014
TA: 0.680 g/100 ml
Date Bottled: May 25, 2017
Cases Bottles: 200 x 6 bottle cases
24 months in new and neutral French oak
@rjquillin@Winedavid49 The SakéOne G Fifty order arrived at my office today along with the 4 pack of Lang & Reed CF I bought here, both shipped by WCC, but the Saké box had an extra label. Got some chuckles from the FedEx driver & the folks at the front desk who signed for it!
A local chain (Binny’s, for those in the Chicago area) is advertising the 2016 Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars Cabernet Sauvignon Artemis for $40 (regularly $60). Seems like a nice price, but I’m wondering if anyone has any experience with this bottle.
Last Bottle has the 6 Sigma red blend that we saw here back in April, for $15, FS on 6. That was the per-bottle price here for a 4-pack, for a case it worked out to $12. Very tasty stuff. I just found one this morning, poking around in some boxes.
As ever, if you are looking for a Last Bottle referral code to save a couple of bucks, send me a whisper.
2016 Y. Rousseau “Son of a Butcher” for $20 at Invino, free ship on 6.
Not a big discount from the $24 retail price but Y. Rousseau had somewhat of a following on wine.woot and has not been seen on Casemates. This blend is 45% Tannat, for those who may have enjoyed his previous Tannat-based wines.
How does that site work out for you?
I’ve gotten a couple of bottles, but generally most of the offers just don’t appeal; and the chance of a marquee bottle seems quite slim.
How do you make it work?
It has changed some in that they are putting more total bottles into the offers, reducing the odds of getting the top upgrades. I usually look at the % of each wine in the offers to determine what I am most likely to receive and weigh that against the base bottle price. If I think that it is a value play based on that alone, I will buy and if I get a better upgrade(s) than expected, then hey, bonus!
Also, they put out these codes fairly often (usually for $17 but this was $14 for V-day) and I usually try to take advantage of the free money. Today I got a bottle of 2012 Bolen Family Estates Merlot Oak Knoll District for $18 (after $14 code) that retails for $95. They were blowing them out as they accounted for 60% of the bottles in this $32 deal. Perfect example of the value play mentioned above, even without the $14 code. That deal (Rockin Reds) is likely over by the time you see this (currently 6 bottles left only) and it appealed to me more than the others but if nothing else, I will sometimes use a free money code to buy a single bottle from whichever offer has the lowest entry price.
Also, keep in mind the number of buyers vs. the % of base bottles. Once the base bottles run out, there’s nothing left but upgrades, although some deals are designed with very few base bottles and most of the upgrades only retail for a few dollars more than the base bottle did. Just have to assess each offer individually. If you’re OCD enough (like me) you can even go through the list of buyers and look at their cloud cellar list to see which bottles they got from the deal (usually the most recently acquired bottles are listed at the bottom), although some buyers keep their cellars private and because of overlap you can’t always tell if that bottle in their cellar was from this deal or another one.
There is no exact science to it but there are definite strategies that can improve your results when buying from UC!
@chipgreen@rjquillin It’s the hobby. In the end, I’m not sure it’s worth the time, all the time I spend saving money. But I’m enjoying myself, and I’m learning a lot as I research. And when it’s a game, well, I like playing games.
@chipgreen@rjquillin I only buy from them using the monthly codes. So my total price per bottle ends up being very low. Plus they ship for free after you have 12 built up. If you don’t mind rolling the dice a bit it’s a nice value play.
@JOATMON I did, but I’ve also pretty much given up on unknown on-line coffee purchases. To date, every one has been a disappointment when compared to a local roaster where I can get beans roasted within the past 2~3 days.
Was it here or there we had an active roasting/coffee thread going?
@JOATMON I bought it around Thanksgiving during the first round. It was fine. Nothing special, but a fun logo and a very reasonable price. I didn’t go for another round when it was posted a few weeks ago. I like supporting the local roasters too much.
Invino has the Kukeri (Cornerstone Vineyard) Pino Noir, by the half case, in case you liked it and/or missed it here. Price is not quite as good as it was on Casemates. After today (Sunday 3/17) I think the price will go up a little, but will still be pretty good.
@rjquillin The pile of superfluous apostrophes (or maybe apostrophe’s) in the write-up is so distracting. Literacy is clearly going downhill.
Aside from that, the breakdown says 53% PS, 45% Tinta Roriz, and 2% Cab. Wrong wine, or incorrectly labeled?
@jmdavidson1@rjquillin Yeah, I was going to get a few of them at that price and then saw the CT notes. Last thing I need is more wine, so I’m looking for reasons to not buy
I also wondered if the mystery Napa wine from Garagiste today was one of theirs.
Could be, just better that it is. Just surprised the one here on clearance is.
There was another Cavedoni offer on Gourmet months (years?) ago for a higher price that wasn’t a WD offer.
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WTSO owes us 2.6 mm in unpaid wine sales. They have almost bankrupted my family and my life. Do NOT buy wine from them if you care about us. WINEBUSINESS.COM
Courtwatch: Wine Producer Sues Wines Til Sold Out Over Unpaid Bill
That really sucks but I have to wonder how many offers did they have on there to accumulate $2.6 mm in unpaid funds? At what point do you cut your losses? That’s a helluva lot of wine!
Even if WTSO was on the hook for $50 a bottle that works out to 52,000 bottles. At $40 per bottle we’re talking 65,000 bottles. At $30 a bottle we’re looking at 86,667 bottles. Any less than that and we are talking 100,000 bottles or more!
Is anybody else suing WTSO for the same reason or did they only stiff Lindsay Hoopes? I wonder if there is more to the story…
I’m missing something - the Wune Business story about the lawsuit is for a different winery and states something like 5k bottles and $175k in unpaid bills, give or take, after interest. It also cites Johndrow Vineyards, not Hoopes as the one filing the lawsuit.
So who’s out $2.6M and why haven’t they also filed a lawsuit?
I also agree with Scott - I’ve had nothing but good experiences with them. But if they stiff their suppliers then they should suffer the consequences.
Yeah there has to be more to this story, they have not made a cab or anything else since 2014 at least according to CT, there website is a bad joke (but some nice legs) haha. And the current vintage for cabs on the website is selling the 2010 vintage or at least trying to for $150 a bottle!? I’d like to know who they have been ripping off (or trying too since they started). Yes we know you have a thing for WTSO and their success WD but for me anyways they have done nothing but provide some of BEST customer service I have encountered and that goes a long way for me anyways. And if you know what your looking for some great deals!
But who knows maybe they ripped these guys off but I will pass judgement when all the facts come out.
That’s a pretty fair offer on some really nice wine’s imho. If you have never tried them they are very light but plenty of flavor! Usually around 12.5 or 13 abv. I think they might age quite well but I burn them to fast to find out
If ya can’t swing a tank of Ar, try a
Coravin 100010 Model Two Premium Wine Preservation System, Includes 2 Argon Capsules, Graphite for $210 on the old site. Not a ~great~ deal, but a bit less than other large sellers have it listed for.
@rjquillin Have had the 2014, black fruits, pepper medium tannins long finish. Lower alcohol 13.8 which I liked for a mid week bottle. Not a killer deal but a fair price for a (hopefully based on the 14) pretty good cab.
Clark Smith has some great deals on a few of his wines in celebration of his wedding anniversary. I was alerted via email, but I see the deals are on his website under the Buy Wine tab, the 1st four listings there.
@mrn1 the 2014 sparkling Grenache sure looks interesting. How good is that? Any information about it?
I’ve gotten into sparkling lately, thanks to casemates/gruet. As great as Gruet is for the price (it will remain key in our house I think), I’d like to try the next level up. But as a cheapskate with limited budget, I need a great deal. Is this (looks like $23/bottle plus tax) it?
Those 2009 Pennyfarthing Chards have been $10 each for a few years, except you only had to buy 6 to get that price now it looks like you have to buy 12. I bought a couple 6-packs, one in 2016 and one in 2017. As of 8 months ago it’s still drinking well.
I have 1 bottle left of the sparkling Grenache. Here are my notes from the 2 I killed off previously;
12/16/2017: Biscuits on the nose along with some honeyed lemon peel and light citrus blossom. Dry and tart on the palate with white peach, lemon zest and a faint hint of strawberry. More of a pleasant background note that persists from entry to finish. Medium bodied with flinty minerality, the mousse dissipates rather quickly but the wine retains a nice foamy effervescence on the tongue. The long finish makes me want to segue into another sip.
2/6/2018: Similar to previous note with the addition of something slightly floral on the nose (like a whiff of fresh-cut flowers in a florist shop) and some white cherry on the palate. The strawberry notes were a little more pronounced as well. Despite this bottle arriving semi-frozen with slush in it, it was fine with the exception of some crystal tartrates that were left behind after the slush melted.
The case price is definitely worth it (I paid an average of $38 each for mine). I would suggest requesting a weather hold until Fall, though.
@Boatman72@chipgreen@mrn1@pjmartin I’m willing. For the record, you all can count me as automatic on: any autobuy; anything known good; anything interesting from a known good winery. If it’s not my cup of “tea,” I’ll pass it along. I can easily digest up to 1/2 case without question. I trust your NE OH tastes after seeing your posts all these years. Just do it and let me know the damages. Or, nudge me when I need to do the actual buying. (Gah! And I just ordered a case from one of my standbys, Navarro [Mendocino], with 1-cent shipping. But, hey…it is WineSmith…good and interesting.)
@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58 Love the tails, ordered some 50 day ribeye, we’ll see if they are too funky or not.
and the Adventurous blend burgers have a great funk too, 30% 30 day I think without looking
@hscottk@rjquillin I picked up a few bottles of Campesino during Last Bottle’s recent marathon, along with a few other things. Something came over me when I was unpacking them yesterday, a strange feeling that I have too much wine. I can’t believe I did it, but I just unsubscribed from their emails.
Not even contemplating cutting the cord with this place, though! And it far outweighs all my other sources, combined. My purchases here seem to be accelerating.
@CorTot@hscottk@rjquillin I got 2 of the Alina and one of the Syrah. Plus a few other things, including a Riesling, and an IPA from Italy which caught my eye, just because it seemed such a random thing to find on a wine web site.
OK, if you like the Caymus (Austin Hope, Grand Durif, Red Schooner) overextracted too much oak/vanilla, with a smooth flavor. Quest is a bordeaux blend, made by the Austin Hope folks in Paso Robles, in that style. I got a case from Vivino for $22/btl shipped.
Clark, or @WineSmith, sent out an e-mail saying he was selling 15 cases of his 2017 Norton (a grape I’ve never tried) for 239.88 + tax + free shipping. His website has it listed third one down. Looking forward to it!
I’ve tried a number of Norton (aka Cynthiana) wines in VA and MO. I’m a fan. That said, I was expecting this to show up on Casemates but maybe he is already offering it at the upcoming “deal” price. Or maybe it’s not coming to Casemates at all… but I have 2 bottles coming from Clark right now. One is the complimentary bottle for filling out his survey. I suspect the other is this Norton.
@chipgreen@jml326 I filled out the survey, too! Yet to hear of any bottle. Oh well. I would be disappointed if casemates sells it for less, but if the same, glad it gives him whatever cash flow he needs. If it is the Norton, let us know!
Are you a UPS My Choice member? That’s the only reason I know that I have bottles coming. 2 separate 3.6# packages coming although interesting that one originated in Santa Rosa (where WineSmith is based) and the other originated in Oakland. Both are being shipped through JLA Acumen-Windsor and I haven’t ordered anything else. So it’s really just speculation at this point… but I can’t think of another likely explanation.
@chipgreen I was not, but I signed up. Nothing coming to my address as of now. I guess I didn’t recommend enough sommeliers, or have your internet presence. I think you are officially an “influencer!” Break out the HDR photos and Instagram.
@chipgreen@karenhynes@KNmeh7 I got my comp bottle, but I did put in a note asking them to let me know before shipping so I could consolidate some stuff. So the rest of the stuff is still at WS HQ. Oh well.
I need to start clearing the pending list of stuff @rjquillin has stored upstate.
When did he send out said email exactly? I’ve checked my spam folder and I’m sad to say I never received the email. I have ordered from Clark directly in the past and I know I’m on his distribution list.
The letter I received from Joel Peterson, could be a fun couple of days.
Dear Once & Future Fans,
A couple of years ago, I received a call from one of the accountants from Constellation Brands. He had been put in charge of getting rid of “excess” inventory, which apparently included the wine libraries of Simi, Robert Mondavi, and Ravenswood. The accountant asked, “What is this item called the Ravenswood Stash in the Lodi warehouse?” I informed him that it was the Ravenswood library.
When I started Ravenswood in 1976, I was well acquainted with aged wine. Some of the best wine experiences that I shared with my fellow wine enthusiasts were older wines. These wines were relatively available and not particularly expensive. We were able to put together verticals of wine like Petrus as well as other first-, second-, and third-growth Bordeauxs going back to the 1920s. We did the same for great Burgundies, and for Rhone and German wines. It was far more difficult to do for California wine. Prohibition certainly had something to do with that, of course, but there was also the sense that California wine wasn’t made to develop with age like European wines. There were exceptions; occasionally an old bottle of Hallcrest Cabernet or la Questa or Rixford vineyard would show up. There were also John Daniel’s Inglenook wines and some older Simi wines from the 1930s. The best of them were quite good and all were interesting to taste.
At Ravenswood, I made wine in a very traditional fashion: small open-top redwood fermenters, hand punch downs, native yeast and malolactic fermentation, extended maceration, as well as substantial time in small French oak cooperage. I also worked with exceptional vineyards. Beyond just making flavorful, interesting, delicious wine, I wanted to make wine that would evolve and gain complexity with age. In my mind, part of what made great wine great was that, if stored properly, it would change and evolve into exceptionally interesting bouquets and flavors that could be experienced in no other way than leaving the wine in the bottle for a number of years. A few of the older California wines I tasted seemed to indicate this was possible.
The result of this belief was that we held back a few cases of the 1976 Ravenswood Zinfandels. While a few collectors in those days had cellars where they aged wine, they were the exception, not the rule. The general wisdom in those days, and even today, is that the average lifespan of a bottle of California wine is about three days after it leaves the store shelf. It seemed clear that if I wanted to see how my wines aged, I would have to do it myself.
Each year, we would put down five to 10 cases of wines that seemed worthy. Since I didn’t have a winery or library space in the early years, this created some serious logistical and storage problems. I made a number of serious vineyard-designated wines. If I chose just four of those to put in the library, that could be up to 40 cases per vintage. In the early years, Reed Foster, my business partner, kept them in San Francisco. When that less-than-perfect space was filled, we moved the whole thing to Ravenswood Gehricke Road. As that filled up, we moved everything to a larger space at our newly built Quarry facility, and when Constellation bought Ravenswood, some of the wine was moved to a climate-controlled warehouse in Napa and then Lodi. Another stash of it remained at the Quarry facility.
The library contained most of the significant wines I had made between 1976 and 2001, when Constellation took ownership. During the accounting gyrations that always accompany a winery sale, Constellation saw some advantage in writing the value of this wine down to zero. This meant the company couldn’t sell the wines without some fairly fancy bookkeeping but could give them away to charity events and use them for tastings. Any of you who have attended ZAP over the years have been beneficiaries of this policy. Over the years, I have opened many older large-format bottles at ZAP events.
Back to the call from the accountant, where I started this story, he told me we weren’t using the wine fast enough to justify its existence. Besides that, he said “the wine is all outdated” (he must have been in charge of Arbor Mist before he was assigned to this job). Hence, he had been authorized to destroy the wine. You might imagine my reaction. At that point, I offered to buy the wine and remove it from Constellation’s inventory. The accountant seemed pleased, but incredulous, that I would want that “old, outdated wine.” I assured him that a few drinkable wines probably were in the lot. There were a few other twists and turns before I suddenly I found myself in possession of around 1,800 cases of well-aged, interesting Ravenswood wines. It is an amazing stroke of good fortune that these wines still exist and are in my possession.
My next job was to re-case the wine, examine every bottle for condition, and taste every individual lot. Thank goodness for my able, organized assistant, Erika, who was instrumental in making it all happen. We found that the wines were in generally good shape. There were a few leakers and low fills, but that was the exception. How do they taste? They surpassed my expectations. Some of the wines from the late 1970s that had seen rough storage in San Francisco seemed a little old before their time, but starting with the wines from 1981, there are some real gems. The wines from the 1990s are downright exciting. It was fun to relive the vintages as I was tasting them. Based on these wines, whoever said there was no evolution, vintage, or terroir distinction in California was clearly mistaken.
These wines are mature. As such, they have sediment and require special attention when removing the cork. When you receive your wine, let the bottles rest for at least a week before opening them. Stand them up for a few hours to let the sediment drop to the bottom of the bottle. For the most part, these wines like a little air. Decanting is suggested but not mandatory if you don’t mind a few clouds in the last glass poured and prefer to watch the wine evolve in the glass.
Special care should be taken when removing the corks. They are generally in good shape but have become soft with age. It is easy to break or shred the center of the cork with a regular waiter’s corkscrew. If you are handy with an Ah-So, that device can work well. Best of all is a cork remover called the Durand. It is essentially a corkscrew and an Ah-So that work together. I have never lost an old cork with one of these.
There are lots of reasons that you might want some of these wines. Maybe you or someone you know was born in the same year that the wine was made. (It is a little disconcerting to think that I have been making wine that long.) Maybe you had a bottle of a particular wine when it was young and would like to try it again in its mature state. Maybe you have never had old California wine and would like to investigate the pleasures to be found there. Or maybe you already know and love older wines and would like to add some of these gems to your tasting repertoire. And finally, library wines make wonderful holiday gifts! This is a great opportunity to get older wines of known provenance that have been screened by the winemaker who made them and can certify that they are what he hoped they would be.
Most of the wines in this collection are vineyard-designated wines. Some of them, such as Old Hill and Monte Rosso, are exceedingly rare. Within the list, you will also see county series wines such as Sonoma County Zinfandel, Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Cabernet Franc. They are all blends of unique and delicious vineyards. For instance, the Sonoma County Zinfandel is a very high percentage of the Teldeschi vineyard. Even though I had wanted to vineyard-designate that wine in the early 1980s, the Teldeschi Family would not let me do so until 1997. Hence, all that great wine went into Sonoma County Zinfandel. These wines have aged very nicely and are exceptional values.
@ScottW58@klezman Holy Moley. Did he intimate how these wines would be honorably assisted to into your possession? Is this a Ravenswood Winery wine club or mailing list thing? Or just old friends? If so, how to I become one of Joel’s old friends really quick?
I got 10, but I was really irritated that two bottles vanished from my cart while I was purchasing. Especially since cases had free shipping.
Normally I’d expect precisely that behaviour but there was a note on the screen that said “bottles will be held in your cart for 15 minutes”. If anybody got that Teldeschi Zin, please share
@InFrom@klezman@radiolysis@ScottW58 I saw the email show up and went right there. I unfortunately dawdled while there, looking at vintage charts and just plain taking too long. I went to check out thinking I had a case, but saw exactly 6 left in my cart. All but one of the Petit Sirahs was gone. Realizing the deal at this point, that it was all disappearing right underneath me, I hit buy. I’m pretty sure I got the last PS bottle. So, 6 bottle after meaning to get a case. But, at least I got some. 5 Merlots and a PS. The Cab Franc and Cab Sauvs also disappeared on me.
I just got 3 bottles 1 cab and 2 Merlot it was moving too fast I was at work and I have spent an ass load on wine recently. I’m sure I can find or create an offline to pop nothing but these bottles. That would be the way to try a bigger selection
@FritzCat Uhhh…Not only that, but CH Reserve Cabs (2011 and 2012) are $50 today only, I’ve never seen them go below $75, and I’ve never had one. Free Shipping on a case, and use coupon code “steal” to get another 20% off. They’re giving it away!
Were these the ones that he had advertised as coming from some big cult winery or something like that? I actually bought one of those when they had a big sale and meant to bring it to a wine tasting as a blind bottle. Well I forgot all about it until now so I might as well try it tonight or tomorrow and report back
@radiolysis where did the 2014 XBlock go? I understand when out of stock it’s listed as such, however that vintage just no longer exists on the page. Luckily I snagged 4 of those. I was reading the 2014 is the last of xblock…
@radiolysis I wanted the Amelie one but sold out at checkout… my daughters middle name. I’ll TRY and hold on to a 14’ for ya so you can get that vertical going. I grabbed the 12 and 13 for a vertical case, I’m feeling like the 13 might be meh in comparison to the other 2 vintages available.
Reverse Wine Snob has Twisted Oak Cockamamie Red Blend (normally $22 per bottle through the winery) for $59.99/4 bottles ($15 per bottle) plus only $5 for shipping. Another WD facilitates deal, I think.
OK fellow Casemates:
Winebid has 2 sets of 2008 Ty Caton Petite Sirah
at starting bids of $20 each (of course they charge
a 17% fee and are not shy about shipping fees).
I just had a bottle the past 2 nights, and it was very
good. Bidding? Be kind to each other!
I don’t recall, exactly, what the threshold for shipping included is, but I think it’s either $100 or $200. They are frozen when they ship and are packed with quite a few frozen packs as well. I get mine 2-day and some have remained frozen while others have softened.
I have had no issues refreezing any and all.
@klezman@rjquillin@ScottW58 Is there a coupon code for that? Or a membership? It’s showing 2nd Day Air for me to start at $30 (for one steak) and slowly go up. And with $300 steak, cart not showing free shipping. Hmmmm.
Ty Caton Winemaker’s Cuvee Cabernet is at the Spies
right now, at a nice price. I haven’t had it, and thought
that it might be a low-end wine, but looking at the details
on the Caton website…it looks good.
@rjquillin Hmmm, interesting, hadn’t see this device before. Now, I’ve tried the vacuseeling, which seems to sorta help. And a few years ago I tried the insert-expand-plastic-shield-to-cover-wine, which also seemed to work I guess but was fidgety; sometimes wouldn’t lay correctly and you weren’t sure how well it was going to work.
Seems like each one is good for about 4 good oxygen-sucks. They say “don’t reuse”, but I assume that’s because (a) they don’t want you to forget how much you reused already and then think “hey doesn’t work” and leave a bad review, and (b) they want to sell more. If it works 4 times on one bottle, it should work twice on 2 bottles. That so?
@PatrickKarcher I think the true limit of #-bottles would be highly dependent on the head-space remaining in the bottle when reapplied. If you half consume a bottle and use it, seems like it would be good for three more used the same, but a lot of off/on cycles will clearly limit it’s life.
Would be nice if Repour would just specify the cubic volume it will effectively absorb.
Last time around I purchased the 72 pack, despite having an Ar tank.
These are good when I gift bottle remains (frequently), or, just as gifts with an unopened bottle (not so frequently).
@klezman has used these as well, and I think commented on some thread earlier…
i really should just relent and save my pennies for the Coravin and Ar tank adapter. Often i don’t want the pressure of a whole bottle. Or even worrying about how long it will last under second-sealing.
I like them, too. I got a bunch during their kickstarter campaign, but often forget to use them. I’ve definitely gifted some with bottles as well.
I agree that the “reusability” is dependent on the headspace in the bottle during use. If I open a bottle and pour a glass/day until it’s gone (4-5 glasses…or 3 glasses, depending on mood ), I’ll reuse the Repour between pours, but I don’t reuse that unit for another bottle.
Hmmm, intriguing. Never ordered from them, but every once in a while I see something I’m interested in and it’s for sale there.
Anything any of you currently know is a great deal there? Mainly interested in European wine. (I’ve got a great source for West Coast wine! Begins with ‘C’.) Love to get a good price on a Barolo, some Loire whites, anything worth a try really (though probably no Bordeaux for me right now).
I haven’t gone through everything but for a white I would go with Gerard Boulay Sancerre, imho he makes one of the top two SB’s on the planet. I bought 14 Sociando Mallet Bordeaux for a great price…sold out now. Felsina is also a great buy IMO. This is my first buy from them too.
Thanks for the code! One of the first full cases of wine I ever purchased was from wine.com. Bought another mixed case from them a few months later then never again, for no particular reason other than finding more than enough compelling deals elsewhere.