@chipgreen@radiolysis That, or a more specific designation of where the grapes came from - like 50% Sonoma Valley and 50% Santa Ynez or something like that. Tercero and Cabot did a joint venture that has to, by law, be labelled “California” because the wines were from Humboldt County and Santa Barbara County and don’t share any other appellation.
@chipgreen@klezman@radiolysis That’s a good example and one where I would probably gladly try (and buy?) a “California” label. But it sounds like it’s benefited by maybe somewhere (on the back label or at least winery descriptions) by informing what, in fact, it is. Ideally with % and vineyard names. That would make me think it was a probably a good quality wine carefully made by winemakers who intentionally did this. The problem with the “bulk” California label, at least in perception, is that it means “whatever surplus they could buy from producers at a good price and throw into a big tank.”
@klezman@pmarin@radiolysis
Got curious and checked my CT - 64 unique wines with a generic California appellation (assuming the CT entries were created correctly) = 3.18% of my cellar.
Some surprising names on the list, including; Bedrock, Bonny Doon, Conundrum, Kent Rasmussen, Meeker, Orin Swift, Sandler, Schramsberg, Scott Harvey, Stillman Brown and WineSmith.
@chipgreen@klezman@pmarin@radiolysis
WineSmith I recall, from some discussion where Clark mentioned ended up doing some blending from diverse vineyards.
Bonny Doon doesn’t at all surprise.
@klezman@pmarin@radiolysis@rjquillin
The Bonny Doon is a Rose (Vin Gris de Cigare). WineSmith has 4 entries - Pennyfarthing Barbera and Chardonnay, Any Gorilla (of course) but also the Faux Chablis? That needs to be fixed.
@chipgreen@pmarin@radiolysis Yeah, Bedrock (and Turley and others) make a blend from multiple of their vineyards across the state. Since everything they do is from highly regarded single vineyards, these are barrels or lots that either didn’t taste like the rest (Bedrock California Syrah) or were from younger vines (Turley Juvenile), etc.
It means “the AVAs have been changed to protect the innocent”
What show was that from (“names have been changed…”)? I think it was Dragnet. Perhaps Adam-12.
A generic “California” designation tells me not to pay too much or expect too much and maybe I will be pleasantly surprised… or not.
@chipgreen yep! There had better be a food story behind it for me to be interested.
@chipgreen @radiolysis That, or a more specific designation of where the grapes came from - like 50% Sonoma Valley and 50% Santa Ynez or something like that. Tercero and Cabot did a joint venture that has to, by law, be labelled “California” because the wines were from Humboldt County and Santa Barbara County and don’t share any other appellation.
@chipgreen @klezman @radiolysis That’s a good example and one where I would probably gladly try (and buy?) a “California” label. But it sounds like it’s benefited by maybe somewhere (on the back label or at least winery descriptions) by informing what, in fact, it is. Ideally with % and vineyard names. That would make me think it was a probably a good quality wine carefully made by winemakers who intentionally did this. The problem with the “bulk” California label, at least in perception, is that it means “whatever surplus they could buy from producers at a good price and throw into a big tank.”
@chipgreen @pmarin @radiolysis Yes, exactly. And absent other information, I assume it’s high yield overripe plonk from the central valley.
@klezman @pmarin @radiolysis
Got curious and checked my CT - 64 unique wines with a generic California appellation (assuming the CT entries were created correctly) = 3.18% of my cellar.
Some surprising names on the list, including; Bedrock, Bonny Doon, Conundrum, Kent Rasmussen, Meeker, Orin Swift, Sandler, Schramsberg, Scott Harvey, Stillman Brown and WineSmith.
@chipgreen @klezman @pmarin @radiolysis
WineSmith I recall, from some discussion where Clark mentioned ended up doing some blending from diverse vineyards.
Bonny Doon doesn’t at all surprise.
@klezman @pmarin @radiolysis @rjquillin
The Bonny Doon is a Rose (Vin Gris de Cigare). WineSmith has 4 entries - Pennyfarthing Barbera and Chardonnay, Any Gorilla (of course) but also the Faux Chablis? That needs to be fixed.
EDIT: submitted appellation change to Napa Valley
@chipgreen @pmarin @radiolysis Yeah, Bedrock (and Turley and others) make a blend from multiple of their vineyards across the state. Since everything they do is from highly regarded single vineyards, these are barrels or lots that either didn’t taste like the rest (Bedrock California Syrah) or were from younger vines (Turley Juvenile), etc.
It means “the AVAs have been changed to protect the innocent”
What show was that from (“names have been changed…”)? I think it was Dragnet. Perhaps Adam-12.
“in a way.”, but not always in a good way!
@Mark_L …so you’re saying there’s a chance!
/giphy telling me there’s a chance
@pmarin so does a snowball in hell!