@CroutonOllie@FritzCat So to pivot a little bit to a conversation that MAY be best in Poli-ticks – how does one prevent use of a known carcinogen that is also addictive and socially accepted?
Making life decisions would be fantastic in a vacuum, but all choices have implications beyond the immediate. Smoking increases cancer risk – if that’s an outcome someone wants to bear, that immediately impacts them. But those risks are also borne by others who can’t make that choice.
And to go back to FritzCat’s comment – i’ve had cigars a few times and it took DAYS for that taste to go out of my mouth. Dinner tastes like cigars, breakfast the next day tastes of cigars. Not my jam.
Oh, let’s do add politics to the discussion.
My brother spent probably hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax-payer money for his medical expenses and disability payments. And, he’s a good Trump-supporting Religious Conservative. Can you say “bootstraps”? God saved him, not our medical system, taxpayer dollars and Science.
How might we deal with such a medical/social problem?
Tax the hell out of it!
That will even help ameliorate the hypocrisy engendered thereby.
Eh, in this area I’m free to do as I choose, and don’t much give a damn whether anyone else likes it or not.
I take care of my business, and others should just take care of theirs. I’m not on the public dime, I’m on my own, so if the consequences of my actions come back to deliver a boot to my posterior, then that is understood as a potential part of the equation, just like many other choices we make in life.
I’m all for your freedom of choice as long as you take responsibility and aren’t hypocritical about it.
I’d bet there are real benefits to smoking, as there are for consuming the drug caffeine. Although, I’ve chosen to not experience the benefits of nicotine. Caffeine is one of the drugs discussed in the new book by Michael Pollan. Caffeine is so stimulating that businesses give it to employees for free, and pay them to consume it (coffee breaks). Back in the day, there were smoke breaks too.
We’re on the same page here, when it comes to freedom of choice and responsibility, and that is the most important part. As to the benefits of smoking, I don’t know of any; it’s just something I enjoy.
I understand how emotionally charged and frustrating it can be, when a loved one makes choices, and then has to face the lousier consequences of the choices they made, but freedoms always bring a risk, and there is always the potential for a set of choices to turn into a mess.
I’m sure that, emotionally, there were equally compelling arguments for the Volstead Act, but we all know how well removing freedom worked in that instance. In short, there are some things you just can’t legislate your way out of, and freedoms should never be surrendered, whether you utilize that particular freedom, yourself, or not; others might.
The road to hell is, indeed, paved with good intentions, and when I examine the few areas in life where I decided to be non-compliant, they always involved the curtailment of freedoms, which I previously enjoyed.
Emotion might be great, as a factor, in any decision making process, but it makes for a lousy determinant.
@CroutonOllie@FritzCat Having watched both my parents die from smoking (lung cancer, COPD). Yeah I prefer to live “avoiding life.” This is not to say I live a safe life, but smoking pleasure vs cost is a no brainer HELL NO for me.
I enjoy a cigar a few times a year but it’s generally a social aspect, pairing it with some whiskey or scotch on a back patio somewhere. In my slightly younger days I would sometimes sneak a cigarette or two if I was a designated driver and at some type of event because it would give me a very nice buzz that was short lived (unlike alcohol).