Beautifully dense deep purple color, and a classic cassis nose with notes of black pepper, cherry liqueur, rose petal and vanilla make for a very refined and seductive first impression. On the palate the flavor is mouth filling but nuanced, with a pleasant astringency. The tannins are fine and the finish is quite refreshing, yet long and multi-layered, beginning with black currant and ending with red cherry and pepper. It is already destined to be one of the better wines from this historic vineyard.
Laurel Glen Vineyard, a thousand feet up the slopes of Sonoma Mountain, has long been considered one of the iconic Cabernet vineyards of California. Originally planted in the 1880’s, the present-day vineyard was developed in the 1970’s by Sonoma wine pioneer Patrick Campbell. The first vintage of Laurel Glen Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon was made in 1981. The vineyard’s combination of high altitude, eastern exposure, rocky soils, and small diurnal temperature swings combine to produce very distinctive wines. Laurel Glen Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon is more refined than many California mountain Cabernets. A typical Laurel Glen Vineyard Estate Cabernet displays an inky ruby color, an expressive bouquet of red cherries and blackberries, a velvety mid-palette, and always a spine of minerality that keeps the sweet fruit in check.
After 30 vintages, Patrick Campbell sold the vineyard and winery to a group of wine lovers, led by Bettina Sichel, whose family has been in the wine business for so many generations, she jokes, if you cut her, she bleeds wine.
The new era at Laurel Glen Vineyard began in 2011 with an ambitious new team. Organic viticultural guru Phil Coturri, who grew up on Sonoma Mountain and spent a formative summer in his youth working at Laurel Glen, manages the vineyard. Winemaker Randall Watkins, who spent many years developing his skills with mountain Cabernet at Moon Mountain Vineyards, manages the cellar. Under their stewardship, Laurel Glen Vineyard has been rebuilt with great care. The vineyard is now certified organic with CCOF, pruning and trellising practices have been upgraded to emphasize greater concentration and consistency of ripening, and more care is being taken to sort the fruit at harvest by both cluster and berry. What hasn’t changed is a commitment to expressing a sense of place in the wines through gentle treatment of the fruit in the cellar. As in Patrick’s day, fermentations are with native yeasts and take place in open top fermenters, Taransaud is our primary cooper and the wines are unfiltered and egg white fined.
The result is evident in the current releases: wines that preserve the nuanced layers of flavor of the past, long a hallmark of these rocky slopes, while adding intensity and texture.
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@StingingJ I’d be up for 2-4 depending on the number of other takers. I know I still have a few bottles to pick up from an earlier case I went in on with @trifecta - maybe they’ll join this too and we can do a bit of a meetup?
@rainybank@debsters7@coxxoc DANG! I was up late last night then had to go to the DMV early this morning to get a license I lost over the weekend out of town. Okay - one of you is going to have to save me one of the corks so I can at least partake in the aroma…
This cab sav hits the nose with the sweet smell of hibiscus rivaled by the echoes of wilted and aged basil leaves while vanilla braised cedar wood smolders in the background. Almond, caramel, nutmeg emanate from the tongue.
The wine is medium bodied with slightly outgoing tannins. While the acidity deliberately modest, the finish leaves an imprint of a vine which overcame the challenges of it’s terrain and delivered it’s proud product accompanied by the most mature of currents.
I didn’t notice a huge change after I let her open up a while but pairing her up with a thick portion of wild caught salmon crusted with Italian herbs, drizzled in truffle oil I was pleasantly surprised how fruit forward she became.
Lay this one down a couple years and I bet she’ll be impressive.
@borisgoodenough@klezman@Winedavid49 Disappointed the rpm shipping got bunged up; that aspect still seems to have a few bugs to work out, but seeing he was selected to rat a CS does speak volumes to what you think the quality of this offer is.
That said, it looks like I’ll have some excess inventory I’d like to share with SoCal and SD mates…
@rjquillinraises hand I just couldn’t justify buying the case despite the comparison to Corison, but if you need some help, I will assist for a bottle or two or three… That way my Corison will have some company.
If two works for you, and one for kale, that leaves me with the four, the low end of the 4~6 I was hoping for.
SS updated; 3 for TKL and 2 for TV.
I didn’t think we’d really make this work.
Thanks for the help.
Anyone up for a SE Michigan split? I just ordered a case.
FWIW, I’ve been a fan of Laurel Glen since the mid-'90s. Patrick Campbell was a god, making elegantly styled Cabernet judiciously aged in French oak. I’m still drinking his wines from 20 years back, and they’re amazing. He never got the over-the-top critical scores because he refused to make over-ripe blockbusters they were rewarding, and his latter years tapered in quality, but were still more than respectable. An absurdly great buy, IMO.
@borisgoodenough Thanks for that Boris. We’re definitely trying to keep his legacy alive. It’s all about the vineyard and the farming still, with a few more modern winemaking techniques in the game. We hope you try some of the newest vintages soon.
Not saying this isn’t a great wine, but the idea that retail on this wine is $100/bottle might be pushing it. It looks like the same bottle can be purchased online for $47.00 plus shipping. If that’s the case (no pun intended), I question whether the 3-bottle option is even worth purchasing.
@vandemusser It’s weird, though. The label isn’t the same. There are actually two wines with this name on that site, and they both have different labels, even though the rest of the description is exactly the same. I’m confused, now.
The UPC code on CT (there are two, for some reason) is different, also.
@Shrdlu@vandemusser I just went to that website and you can get 3 bottles including shipping for $158.97 And you get a coupon for 50% off shipping (which is $18.00 to Ohio) and then the price drops to $149.97
@kasandrae@vandemusser This is a library wine, which normally means it’s been cellared for a while and is just now being released. It’s not clear how that compares to buying a non-library wine of the same vintage.
@vandemusser@kasandrae@eniemeyer@shrdlu Sorry for the delayed response. Laurel Glen only made one Estate Cabernet with only one label in 2009. The wine that we released through casemates is some of the very last of the vintage that has been cellared by us since bottling in the same temperature controlled environment. I can’t say if this online retailer actually has any 2009 in stock, but if they do, it’s probably not much, and we can’t vouch for how it’s been handled. We haven’t shipped any wine to NJ that isn’t direct to consumer in quite some time.
@eniemeyer I am not sure what you are trying to say. If it’s the same vintage then it’s the same wine. There isn’t much to claim any difference. If you are saying that the ‘library’ wine has been stored in carefully controlled conditions and the other wasn’t, to me that’s more marketing BS than anything else. In my opinion people freak out way too much about how and where the wine has been treated. Obviously you don’t want the wine to abused, but then again, most people in the wine industry aren’t into wine abuse, they want to make good wine. In addition, wine is much less delicate than many people think. It can be roughed up a bit and still be fine. Paying a premium for a so called ‘library’ wine over the lower price for a bottle of the same wine from the same vintage is not a good use of money in my opinion.
@edlada I was simply providing more
Information and tried to make clear that I didn’t know if there was a difference between non-library wine v library wine. By thank you for providing an obnoxious enough response that I won’t bother commenting in the future.
Nope If I’m spending a bunch of my hard earned money on a bottle of Chateau anything I will always take the bottle with perfect provenance over a bottle that has traveled around the secondary market.
@ScottW58 You can certainly do that and it will be much more expensive in most cases. I have drank a lot of bottles (a few hundred) of château something or another that were bought on the secondary market on Ebay with the only provenance being the reputation of the particular seller. When you buy wines that are 30-60 years old, there is always a risk that they will have some problem. In my experience it has in 1 out of 10-20 bottles. Mostly inexpensive wines. You look at the condition of the cork if possible, the fill level in the bottle the condition of the label, etc. Even if you buy the bottle directly from the château, there is no guarantee that it will be drinkable. Any of the number of bottles of well known, expensive wines I’ve had, have never been a problem, maybe one or two bad ones over the years but virtually negligible. I am talking about buying old wines in Europe, maybe in the US it’s different, I have never bought wine that way in the US, only from the winery or a distributor.
@eniemeyer I am sorry I offended you, that wasn’t my intention. Library wines are a rather new thing and in my opinion it is more marketing than anything. I understand the winery incurs costs holding wines for years but I don’t think it is that much of a guarantee of the condition of the wine. Whether it is aging in the winery, or someones house, as long as the conditions are acceptable, it is still the same wine, one just costs less. After being on Wine Woot since it’s inception, I noticed many people obsess over the shipping and handling of the wine. It is my belief that the fears are exaggerated. years ago wine was shipped all over the world without the benefit of air freight and refrigeration, and stored in whatever location that was suitable and convenient. The majority of it survived just fine. I can honestly say that after many years and many bottles, I don’t think I ever drank a bottle that was ‘cooked’. I don’t thing that many people here ever have either, even though they might have thought so. All of the bad bottles I have encountered were corked (rare), oxidized (common), or some other defect such as foul odor, Brett, or something like that. A lot of the very old ones just die, faded, worn out,etc. (most common). Wine is a living thing and I think far more problems occur naturally than from storage. Proper storage is important but there is a bit of leeway before the wine will be damaged. The most important thing is the grapes, you can’t make good wine from bad grapes, no matter how skilled the winemaker or how well it was stored.
@jmdavidson1 Yes, you are absolutely correct. There is no way I can say this without offending someone but I will try. I joined Wine Woot at it’s inception. It quickly became evident that negative comments, no matter how politely stated, often get a lot of backlash. A core group of people formed, and many of them became very loyal, staunch supporters of the site. Newcomers were politely welcomed but if a dissenting voice was raised about whatever, the loyalists would jump in and defend the site at any cost. To make it worse, the main moderator was often obnoxious in defending the site against any negative feedback. To me, a very clique like attitude became predominant on the site. A lot of good information was passed, real life friendships were formed and this was good. I have met several folks in person from the site and it was always a pleasant time. But some of the clique members have an attitude that could be off putting, particularly to newcomers. I think one reason the discussions were often the same small group of people is because others felt intimidated and weren’t willing to participate. Another thing I noticed was that several of this group were new to wine drinking and developed their experience through the site. In time,some of these people then went on to claim vast, superior knowledge about wine that might not have been as complete as they believed. Some inaccurate or wrong information was adopted as fact and repeated and reinforced over the years. The shipping conditions in particular became an obsession for some, complaints of ‘cooked’ wine were rampant, with people attributing all manner of off flavors to the wine being cooked. Cult followings developed for certain wine makers, Peter Wellington, Cathy Corrison, Scott Harvey, etc. Then there were the Petite Syrah acolytes that claimed that PS was the only wine in the world worth serious consideration. That’s all fine, but some people apparently forgot that it was still only their opinion. Most importantly is negative opinions were often treated with disdain. Since the group has migrated here, I see the same thing happening. @jmdavidson1, your remark to me is typical of this attitude. You were very polite but the message was to me, clearly a put down. I heard; “Hey Ed, if you don’t like it, go somewhere else.” Of course I am not forced to buy wine here. However that doesn’t mean that dissenting opinions can’t be politely given. To me the purpose of the discussion is to learn and exchange information and opinions about the wine. Not to jump on anyone offering a different opinion because it is different than the majority opinion. The danger of the clique attitude here is that it becomes group think, and much of the value of different opinions and ideas is lost, which is unfortunate. Often the discussion ceases to be about the wine, it is about the message and that doesn’t do much of anything. I see a lot of the discussions here taking palace in a closed loop with little value except to those involved in the discussion. Inadvertently, a small group regards this site as their personal domain and aren’t open to a free, honest exchange of information, and are quick to criticize. This site sells wine, often at very good prices. It’s too bad that honest discussions about the wine, not about the personality of the wine drinker, are sometimes difficult to have. I am very interested in this wine but if I decide to buy it I will try the cheaper site first. I doubt that the condition of the wine will be any different than the bottles from the winery. I apologize profusely for holding this opinion and going against the group think. I am tough, I can deal with the consequences. If I have offended anyone with what I have just said, it certainly is not my intention. I am only asking for a little less cliqueishness, and a little less defensive behavior. And I don’t miss that moderator at all.
@edlada Of course, you knew that I would have to reply to this diatribe. I don’t consider myself cliquish or snobby. I enjoy the discussions and dislike the negative attacks. Your initial comment was why buy this offer when it can be bought elsewhere for less. Smooth way of saying that, we, the buyers, must be stupid to be buying it here on this offer. Again, you spend your money where you want on what you want and I’ll spend mine as I see fit. I miss Thunder Thighs!!!
@jmdavidson1 I think you might be over reacting a little. There is a big difference between a polite dissenting opinion and an attack. If you chose to think I was implying people are stupid for spending more on wine then they have to, I can’t help that and it isn’t what I was implying. One of the problems with communicating in this medium is that it is often difficult to ascertain the intent of the writing absent the visual and verbal cues that occur in real life face to face communication. I don’t miss TT at all. Sometimes there are people that just rub each other the wrong way. I have interacted with her on occasion almost since the first Woot site was born, back when she was DAJ 50 something, and we never hit it off. When she wasn’t a mod, that was fine. When she became a mod, she was hardly objective, often condescending, and in my opinion and too quick to stifle things when they got hot. Sometimes it’s OK to let the little disagreements play out rather than delete posts so quickly. Jim, I am sure in person you are a great guy. You come across as a little annoying here at times, exhibiting some of those behaviors I pointed out in my earlier posts. I am sure people find me annoying at times too. RPM and I butted heads several times in discussions on the boards over the years, but when we met in NYC a couple of years ago, we got along fine. And of course you are welcome to spend your money as you see fit, it’s your money after all. What’s wrong with pointing out that the same wine can be had for less, elsewhere? And what’s wrong with pointing out that I think library wines are mostly BS? After all, opinions are like an anal orifice, we are all entitled to one.
First of all I agree buying wine is a crap shoot on what you will get when you open said bottle/s no matter the provenance and I agree wine is much tougher than we might think.
That being said I also don’t buy wine and put it into a kitchen cabinet to age, I spend money on wine refrigerators etc etc to store my wine while it ages so I also look for provenance when I buy bottles of expensive wine and with the hundreds of thousands of bottles of fake wine out there it makes it even more important so I will pay an extra few dollars for provenance not so much for wines being sold here but this discussion is bigger than Woot/Casemates wines. I guess the real discussion here is you want to say that a winery should not charge more for storing a wine for years, why not? The expense is carried by them for holding it back and I can’t imagine that you really think that any winery in the world yes in Europe too that sells back vintages does not charge more for their older vintages, you may not like it but that is the free market system.
@ScottW58 Sorry, I didn’t mean to give the impression that the winery doesn’t deserve more money for keeping the wine. I worked in a winery, I fully understand the economics. My only beef is making a big deal about the ‘library wine’ designation. I am used to European wines, where the better ones are always cellared for a period of time before they are released. The more famous châteaux especially often have large quantities of past vintages, they don’t call them library wines, they are just there and available. Age is also a relative term. A good Bordeaux isn’t even drinkable until at least 10 years after the vintage. To most US wine consumers, they would consider a 10-12 year old wine very old. I guess to me the concept that older wines deserve this special name is silly, where letting wine age is kind of the whole point in most cases, wherever it might be aging.
Come on man give the new world a break! You will never see on a bottle of new world wine something that says “from Father to son for 400 years” like you do on a bottle of Chave for god sakes these wineries and land have been paid for for hundreds of years, we are still paying for our land. And btw have you ever tried to buy a back vintage/library wine or whatever you want to call it of Chave or Latour? They will gouge the hell out of your wallet too.
@ScottW58 Come on, $400-$500 will get you a drinkable bottle from a decent year of most of the big guys in Bordeaux. Go big or go home, right? I am not completely against Cali wines. Look closely below, one of those things is not like the others. It was quite good too.
The silly thing about this thread is that you all basically agree. Y’all have opinions, nobody was trying to piss anybody else off, and we should all just take a deep breath.
Provenance matters to some more than others. For some wines more than for others. Cool.
I agree sometimes groupthink-like statements can tend to find their way in to these discussions. That doesn’t help anybody. I, for one, got sucked into wine.woot because of the diversity of opinion, knowledge, and background. People on the internet (myself included) can too often be hasty to jump on each other. Let’s all just toast to delicious wine, however you may define it!
What the hell is this post?! are you trying to broker peace?? This is how you all fall into group think! I guess the next post I will read is Wellington never made a bad bottle or all of Ty Caton’s wines are too hot or my post will get deleted by a trigger happy mod
@edlada@jmdavidson1@ScottW58 Just calling them as I see them (I do know that throws a wrench into your plans to wreak havoc.) Oh yeah…also Canadian…we like peace
No mods in this new world…for better and for worse. Mostly better.
@ScottW58 This might be a little better. My ‘trophy shelf’. The price of good Bordeaux was relatively reasonable a few years ago, then all of the newly minted Russian and Chinese millionaires started driving the prices up because they want to show off their wealth. Prices are crazy in recent years! The futures prices are $800 a bottle or more and you have to wait years to drink them. I don’t even want to calculate the current value of the bottles below. It isn’t worth discussing the prices of the really good Burgundy, 10s of thousands for the best ones, crazy! I have to drink the ‘library wines’ because I am getting too old to buy new wine, I won’t live long enough to drink it in its prime.Some drinkable wines Yes, that’s a 1947 Cheval Blanc in the middle, along with a 1950 Lafleur and a 1961 Latour a Pommerol. Also a 1947 Margaux, a 1970 Latour and some Cheval Blanc, Haut Brion and Margaux from the 1980s. Counterfeits are a real problem but I am pretty sure the '47 Cheval Blanc was the real deal. There is an awful lot of old wine laying around in Europe and if you are patient and careful, it’s possible to get some very old, very nice wines at reasonable prices.
@MSUMike The post was probably hidden in your view:
ilCesare said Monday at 12:22 AM:
Laurel Glen Library Cabernet Sauvignon
3 bottles for $169.99 $56.66/bottle + $2.67/bottle shipping
Case of 12 for $449.99 $37.50/bottle + $1/bottle shipping
Yup, the ‘hidden’ posts have caused me grief as well.
A couple missed purchases as the target of the post didn’t see the (hidden) post and doesn’t subscribe to email for whispers.
We need a more robust notification system when there is an explicit post directed to someone.