Oh my yes. I don’t have any left from the 1990s, but quite a few from the early 2000s, including a bunch of Wellingtons, Ty Catons, and other regulars from the old site. I would say that a solid majority of my wines are more than ten years old, with a substantial more-than-twenty representation.
@chipgreen Interesting idea. My average vintages are:
2007.4 for fortified wine
2011.7 for dessert wine
2013.2 for bubbly (although most is NV)
2013.4 for dry wine
Ah, grasshoppers! Wisdom accrues and wonderful drinking pleasures await… rpm would caution, however, that you should get a Durand for opening >15 year old wines, especially Peter’s…my experience with his corks is that they tend to break unless very carefully extracted with an Ah So or Durand…
@rpm
While the Durand is initially costly I have gotten the value back many times over just by not being frustrated with having to deal with a broken cork.
As far as Peters wines go I just go directly to the Durand.
@rc70@rpm I haven’t been let down yet by my ah-so, thankfully. Those Durands are crazy expensive.
And yes, anything older than 10 I consider the ah-so.
@klezman I remember years ago you mentioned the trick of using an ah-so along with a waiter’s corkscrew. Cheapskate that I am, I’ve tried that a few times, with mixed results. Looking forward to receiving my new Durand…
@InFrom@klezman I have found a gold coffee filter used for fine grounds and single cup pour overs to be an excellent filtration system for corks that disintegrate and catching them before they are accidentally consumed.
@bunnymasseuse@klezman Yeah, I need to look around for one of those, I think we have one we’re not using. The little filter that came with the Vinturi is not quite fine enough to catch everything.
Many, thanks to the old site (and my buying habits).
Tonight drinking a 2013 Bonny Doon Le Cigare Volant,
and I didn’t like it when it was young, but now it’s very good and very interesting. Might even be changing my mind on GSMs. It would be a travesty to drink only young wines.
@canonizer I also ordered. My main concern is that it is a knock-off, and I’m not sure how I would tell if it is. I figure even if it is not returnable I can dispute the charge with my card company.
@canonizer Nice timing for this sale (assuming it’s a sale price?), as people here were just talking about them. It’s been the rare bottle of Wellington that wouldn’t have benefited from one of these. Thanks for posting.
The site looks kinda suspicious to me. There’s no “about us” info, no real navigation/search function. It links to “Twohandspaperie” Home & Garden Section.
Two Hands Paperie sells mostly stationery and paper craft products…they have no Home & Garden section on their site and don’t appear to sell a Durand (or John Deere mower wheels ). https://twohandspaperiestore.com/
I’m skeptical but hopeful. I’d love to order but I am a bit uneasy with the wonky looking site.
@canonizer@davirom@karenhynes@ScottW58 Well, we’ll see what happens. It didn’t make me more confident in the purchase that the PayPal payee it went to was named simply “Torie”. But I put it on a card, rather than pay by bank debit, so with any luck there’ll be some recourse it it’s not legit.
@canonizer@InFrom@karenhynes@ScottW58@rjquillin@klezman To quote Star Wars, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”. Unlike InFrom, my PayPal receipt is from 3C Solutions. From their website, they appear to be a cleaning service in NY with lots of typos on the home page. I’m going to call my card company and put a fraud watch on the account. <sigh>
Sorry, all! It looks like a site that mirrors a legitimate business in Boulder (which has all the same info about shipping on the first business day after the weekend and has an active phone number/answering machine). Hopefully your cc disputes quickly resolve, I may have just had PayPal automated through my bank. If I’ve been scammed, at least it was a discount.
I wrote to the legit business to see if they could take action against the illegitimate looking one and reported it in pp as well, though with far less hope coming from a bank.
@canonizer@davirom@InFrom@karenhynes@klezman@Mark_L@ScottW58
I don’t believe the merchant sees you CC info, but could be corrected if that’s not true. The value of PP, as I understand it, is the merchant does not see additional financial info. Only the PP remittance for the transaction is transmitted to the merchant, so your CC info remains non-disclosed for any additional nefarious actions.
@canonizer@davirom@karenhynes@klezman@Mark_L@rjquillin@ScottW58 That’s my understanding as well, but given that my PP acct is not showing this transaction at all, I was concerned that they somehow spoofed the payment part of the transaction along with the rest of it.
We asked the rep from the card company about it, and she said that when they investigate the charge they will also look into why it says “PayPal” while not showing on my PP acct.
@FritzCat@InFrom@kawichris650@klezman
Not the same as the one I have. The handle and blade exit from the handle are quite different if the photo was at all accurate.
@FritzCat@InFrom@kawichris650@klezman@rjquillin
I picked up one of these to give to my son in law back in October, works fine. Very close to my Durand but its not quite Durand quality. For the price it is worth it. If I didn’t already have a Durand I would definitely buy it for myself.
@FritzCat@InFrom@kawichris650@klezman@rjquillin
Thanks, klez. This should be a nice upgrade. I have a couple cheap ah-so openers, one of which you used to open a bottle of 1975 Franciscan “Napa Valley Burgundy” for me at the RPM Tour farewell dinner in 2012? 2014?
@FritzCat@InFrom@kawichris650@klezman@rjquillin
Must have been 2012? IIRC, you were not officially on the tour with us that year but made an appearance for the farewell dinner. Somewhere I have a picture of me showing the bottle to Peter Wellington. 2014 you were a full fledged tourist, chasing molarche around with a ring.
@chipgreen@rjquillin I made an appearance the day y’all went to Corison so that I could be there when Cat & HAK got engaged. It was molarchae’s first experience with the ww crew, too. That was also the night of the party at WD’s house when we also all tried to get Ty to give us more 2003 Merlot! And there was an incident with a van, too!
I think that day was also the first time I met Ron. And Joel & Michelle.
@chipgreen@klezman We did get that Merlot, but it was a 2001, unless you’re talking of a different bottle he brought. Ty offered a case @ $20/btl. Two of us agreed to a split. I got my six but I think the other six went unclaimed; sad for that…
Still have some I should dig out. I think they qualify for that 5+ year thing.
@klezman@rjquillin@winedavid49
Just remembered the van incident, someone backed into a fence post! The sausage that they were grinding and cooking onsite was the best sausage I have ever had. I didn’t mingle with too many winemakers but did talk with Jon from Inspiration Vineyards for awhile and Chris from SuperSonoma told me I was “a better looking Steve Wozniak”, lol. I also remember being slightly intimidated by an older gentleman in a cowboy hat and matching clothes who just oozed “class” as he strode through the crowd. I have always assumed it was Clay Shannon. Was I right?
@chipgreen@rjquillin yes, it was 2001. I was 50-50 on the vintage and the coin flip came out wrong.
Ty told me he’d send me some but I never heard back. Not that surprising that you’ve still got some buried somewhere
@chipgreen@klezman
You recall who was supposed to get the other half?
I can almost see a face, but it currently has no name; and should.
I’m thinking Brian Severn
This gentleman was an impeccably dressed cowboy from top to bottom and you could just tell he was “important”, lol. Looked like a rancher but I was assuming winemaker.
Interesting development: although I disputed the charge and canceled the card, I got a shipping notice that claims to be from PayPal. Email headers seem legit.
@davirom Coda to my story. I tracked the shipment on the “Paypal” link and USPS showed the item delivered Wednesday of last week. On Friday I printed the tracking chain, took it to my PO, and told the story. The supervisor wasn’t in, but I was promised a call back. Didn’t happen. On Saturday I spoke to my letter carrier and gave him a copy of the tracking info. He looked at it, told me he worked last Wednesday, did not remember a package for me, and was not in my neighborhood at the claimed delivery time. He said he would talk to the supervisor when he finished his route.
Today the letter carrier knocked on my door and gave me a copy of the PO’s internal tracking report. It shows that the tracking code was spoofed for a delivery to another address in my community. The sending address is a 800 sf house a couple of cities away. The PO advised me to do the things I had already done (dispute the charge, cancel/replace the credit card).
This seems like an elaborate scheme to me. The scammers spoofed a legitimate web retailer and inserted the scam page. They spoofed PayPal (seems more likely to me) or otherwise tricked PayPal into providing credit card services. Their “PayPal” receipt spoofed payment to a different legitimate business. They hacked into the USPS tracking system to provide me with a tracking number showing my zip code.
Why? To steal $53 per hit? That would be a lot of effort to go to EXCEPT they also gather credit card numbers and identifying information from people who are willing to spend $53 on a corkscrew. And probably at least considered spending $150. I’m sure they will keep as many of the $53’s as they can collect, but the value of the scam is the information. For those of us who got burned, I suggest in addition to canceling/replacing the credit card used, also change your password to your card provider website.
@davirom Thanks for reporting back. That’s really crazy. I got my new card in the mail today, and just finished changing my pw. Fwiw, I never got anything like a delivery notice, just the original invoice from PayPal. Haven’t heard a peep since then.
I wonder if the postal police would bother investigating something this small-scale. Did the letter carrier mention anything about that?
@InFrom No, but to be fair, I didn’t ask either. Years ago I reported mail theft to the postal inspector’s office that resulted in a lot of paperwork for me with no discernable results.
Can we get a 10+ year option?
15?
20?
@rjquillin yup
So there’s a few I’ve held since 2013 (the WW days). Assorted vintages…I’d have to say ‘07 thru 2013’s….so that’s a start
@rjquillin @ttboy23 many. Most, even.
@klezman @rjquillin @ttboy23
Excluding rjq’s stash?
@MarkDaSpark @rjquillin @ttboy23 At this point I’ve had some of that for ten years!
@rjquillin @ttboy23 I have about 40 that are now 20yrs*, mostly Wellington. Duh!
Oh my yes. I don’t have any left from the 1990s, but quite a few from the early 2000s, including a bunch of Wellingtons, Ty Catons, and other regulars from the old site. I would say that a solid majority of my wines are more than ten years old, with a substantial more-than-twenty representation.
According to CellarTracker, my average vintage is 2012.9
@chipgreen Interesting idea. My average vintages are:
2007.4 for fortified wine
2011.7 for dessert wine
2013.2 for bubbly (although most is NV)
2013.4 for dry wine
Ah, grasshoppers! Wisdom accrues and wonderful drinking pleasures await… rpm would caution, however, that you should get a Durand for opening >15 year old wines, especially Peter’s…my experience with his corks is that they tend to break unless very carefully extracted with an Ah So or Durand…
@rpm
While the Durand is initially costly I have gotten the value back many times over just by not being frustrated with having to deal with a broken cork.
As far as Peters wines go I just go directly to the Durand.
@rc70 @rpm I haven’t been let down yet by my ah-so, thankfully. Those Durands are crazy expensive.
And yes, anything older than 10 I consider the ah-so.
@klezman I remember years ago you mentioned the trick of using an ah-so along with a waiter’s corkscrew. Cheapskate that I am, I’ve tried that a few times, with mixed results. Looking forward to receiving my new Durand…
@InFrom @klezman I have found a gold coffee filter used for fine grounds and single cup pour overs to be an excellent filtration system for corks that disintegrate and catching them before they are accidentally consumed.
@bunnymasseuse @klezman Yeah, I need to look around for one of those, I think we have one we’re not using. The little filter that came with the Vinturi is not quite fine enough to catch everything.
@InFrom @klezman
It says this is a tea infuser, I’ve used it for that and coffee, it’s now dedicated to catching cork.
@bunnymasseuse @InFrom @klezman
I still like this mesh filtered pour spout from Amazon.
Wine Pourer with Built-in Filter, Set of 4, Black https://a.co/d/614k4I6
Many, thanks to the old site (and my buying habits).
Tonight drinking a 2013 Bonny Doon Le Cigare Volant,
and I didn’t like it when it was young, but now it’s very good and very interesting. Might even be changing my mind on GSMs. It would be a travesty to drink only young wines.
I ordered; cannot yet speak for the store’s legitimacy
[mod] The link below is highly suspect as fraudulent
https://spaperiestores.com/products/two2-durand-two-part-device-to-successfully-remove-older-and-fragile-wine-corks-16683/
@canonizer
Helluva deal if the store is legit.
@canonizer I also ordered. My main concern is that it is a knock-off, and I’m not sure how I would tell if it is. I figure even if it is not returnable I can dispute the charge with my card company.
Maybe the link should be cross-posted to Deals?
@canonizer @davirom
I hope that’s a real deal, keep us posted!
@canonizer Nice timing for this sale (assuming it’s a sale price?), as people here were just talking about them. It’s been the rare bottle of Wellington that wouldn’t have benefited from one of these. Thanks for posting.
@canonizer @davirom
Yes, a x-post in
https://casemates.com/forum/topics/deals-2023
would be appropriate
@davirom @rjquillin hesitant to encourage before i get a shipping notice or get to try it but feel free!
@canonizer @davirom @ScottW58 @InFrom
Please do keep us posted.
The site looks kinda suspicious to me. There’s no “about us” info, no real navigation/search function. It links to “Twohandspaperie” Home & Garden Section.
Two Hands Paperie sells mostly stationery and paper craft products…they have no Home & Garden section on their site and don’t appear to sell a Durand (or John Deere mower wheels
).
https://twohandspaperiestore.com/
I’m skeptical but hopeful. I’d love to order but I am a bit uneasy with the wonky looking site.
@canonizer @davirom @karenhynes @ScottW58 Well, we’ll see what happens. It didn’t make me more confident in the purchase that the PayPal payee it went to was named simply “Torie”. But I put it on a card, rather than pay by bank debit, so with any luck there’ll be some recourse it it’s not legit.
@canonizer @davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @ScottW58
Same here; PP and CC (never use a debit) give an extra layer or two of protection.
@canonizer @davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @rjquillin @ScottW58
Yeesh - for that price I’d get one and not have to rig the regular and ah-so together any more. I might just place an order and be done with it.
@canonizer @InFrom @karenhynes @ScottW58 @rjquillin @klezman To quote Star Wars, “I’ve got a bad feeling about this”. Unlike InFrom, my PayPal receipt is from 3C Solutions. From their website, they appear to be a cleaning service in NY with lots of typos on the home page. I’m going to call my card company and put a fraud watch on the account. <sigh>
If it looks too good to be true. . .
@canonizer @davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @rjquillin @ScottW58
“It’s a trap!”.
@davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58
Sorry, all! It looks like a site that mirrors a legitimate business in Boulder (which has all the same info about shipping on the first business day after the weekend and has an active phone number/answering machine). Hopefully your cc disputes quickly resolve, I may have just had PayPal automated through my bank. If I’ve been scammed, at least it was a discount.
I wrote to the legit business to see if they could take action against the illegitimate looking one and reported it in pp as well, though with far less hope coming from a bank.
@davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 confirmed from the original store that it’s fake
@canonizer @davirom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 Thanks, I’ll contact my CC company.
@canonizer @davirom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 I suppose I should also contact the legit store so I have some evidence that it was a cake, I mean a fake.
@canonizer @davirom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 It’s interesting, the pending charge on my credit card says it’s to PayPal “Torie”, but there’s nothing on my PayPal acct about it. In any case, a new card is on its way.
@davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 the real store encourages everyone to write if they require substantiation.
@canonizer @davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @ScottW58
I don’t believe the merchant sees you CC info, but could be corrected if that’s not true. The value of PP, as I understand it, is the merchant does not see additional financial info. Only the PP remittance for the transaction is transmitted to the merchant, so your CC info remains non-disclosed for any additional nefarious actions.
@canonizer @davirom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 That’s my understanding as well, but given that my PP acct is not showing this transaction at all, I was concerned that they somehow spoofed the payment part of the transaction along with the rest of it.
We asked the rep from the card company about it, and she said that when they investigate the charge they will also look into why it says “PayPal” while not showing on my PP acct.
@canonizer @davirom @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @ScottW58
Mine did show up
both in PP and for the card
@canonizer @InFrom @karenhynes @klezman @Mark_L @rjquillin @ScottW58 I suggest taking down the post with the fraudulent link from yesterday at 1:28. Or at least the link.
Not sure if anyone here has seen or tried this…
It seemed to do the trick and I already have an ah-so, so I figure it’s worth a try.
@kawichris650 that’s basically what I do
@canonizer TY MODS!
I bought one for $68 from AliExpress yesterday. Seems to be legit. I’ll let you know.
Direct from China, 14 day shipping.
Already shipped. We’ll see…
@FritzCat linkage?
This it?
Durand knock-off
@rjquillin
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802067016683.html
@kawichris650 Looks like there is some competition brewing, or fermenting…
No way these should cost ~$150
@kawichris650 @rjquillin Ah, at least they don’t pretend to be selling an actual Durand. I do like the color it comes in: Local tyrants gold
/giphy Local tyrants gold
@rjquillin That’s it.
@InFrom @kawichris650 @rjquillin I got mine from AliExpress today, and it looks solid. I also bought some filters from Amazon…Thanks Bunny, great idea!
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @rjquillin Let us know how it works! It looked like a knock-off from the photo.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman
Not the same as the one I have. The handle and blade exit from the handle are quite different if the photo was at all accurate.
@InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman @rjquillin Missed my chance! Opened up a 2006 Minervois last night and used my regular ah-so.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @rjquillin With Black Friday deals and additional coupons I’m getting one for $44 delivered, hopefully.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman
Do tell…
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @rjquillin
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803250698328.html
$4 off for every $20 spent for BF = $8 off
$8 off for a coupon code NEWUS8OFF
= $43.05 (they seem to compute tax on the pre-discount price)
@FritzCat So, it’s been since September, any reviews?
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman
Ahhh, yes, the knock-off version. Nice reminder.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman @rjquillin
I picked up one of these to give to my son in law back in October, works fine. Very close to my Durand but its not quite Durand quality. For the price it is worth it. If I didn’t already have a Durand I would definitely buy it for myself.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman @rc70
I’m looking at it as a spare when the Durand goes Tango-Uniform and I gotta pull a cork.
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman @rjquillin
Thanks, klez. This should be a nice upgrade. I have a couple cheap ah-so openers, one of which you used to open a bottle of 1975 Franciscan “Napa Valley Burgundy” for me at the RPM Tour farewell dinner in 2012? 2014?
@chipgreen @FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @rjquillin that is one hell of a memory you’ve got!
@FritzCat @InFrom @kawichris650 @klezman @rjquillin
Must have been 2012? IIRC, you were not officially on the tour with us that year but made an appearance for the farewell dinner. Somewhere I have a picture of me showing the bottle to Peter Wellington. 2014 you were a full fledged tourist, chasing molarche around with a ring.
@chipgreen @rjquillin I made an appearance the day y’all went to Corison so that I could be there when Cat & HAK got engaged. It was molarchae’s first experience with the ww crew, too. That was also the night of the party at WD’s house when we also all tried to get Ty to give us more 2003 Merlot! And there was an incident with a van, too!
I think that day was also the first time I met Ron. And Joel & Michelle.
@chipgreen @klezman We did get that Merlot, but it was a 2001, unless you’re talking of a different bottle he brought. Ty offered a case @ $20/btl. Two of us agreed to a split. I got my six but I think the other six went unclaimed; sad for that…
Still have some I should dig out. I think they qualify for that 5+ year thing.
@klezman @rjquillin
I think your memory has turned out to be better than mine!
@chipgreen @klezman Sometimes CT gets it right
@klezman @rjquillin @winedavid49
Just remembered the van incident, someone backed into a fence post! The sausage that they were grinding and cooking onsite was the best sausage I have ever had. I didn’t mingle with too many winemakers but did talk with Jon from Inspiration Vineyards for awhile and Chris from SuperSonoma told me I was “a better looking Steve Wozniak”, lol. I also remember being slightly intimidated by an older gentleman in a cowboy hat and matching clothes who just oozed “class” as he strode through the crowd. I have always assumed it was Clay Shannon. Was I right?
@chipgreen @klezman @Winedavid49
Not naming names, but he’s still here and active on CM…
@chipgreen @klezman @rjquillin woopdeedoo!!!
@klezman @rjquillin @Winedavid49
Oh, he was not one of the winemakers?
@chipgreen @klezman @Winedavid49
/giphy tossing-discretion-to-the-wind
@chipgreen @rjquillin yes, it was 2001. I was 50-50 on the vintage and the coin flip came out wrong.
Ty told me he’d send me some but I never heard back. Not that surprising that you’ve still got some buried somewhere
@chipgreen @klezman
You recall who was supposed to get the other half?
I can almost see a face, but it currently has no name; and should.
I’m thinking Brian Severn
@klezman @rjquillin @Winedavid49
Not Rick. I know who Woop is.
This gentleman was an impeccably dressed cowboy from top to bottom and you could just tell he was “important”, lol. Looked like a rancher but I was assuming winemaker.
@chipgreen @klezman @Winedavid49
We were talking about the gate destroyer, not the cowboy.
@chipgreen @klezman @rjquillin
May have been Marcia Mickelson’s husband
Interesting development: although I disputed the charge and canceled the card, I got a shipping notice that claims to be from PayPal. Email headers seem legit.
@davirom Looking forward to seeing whether that tracking number makes it into the system and what arrives.
@davirom Coda to my story. I tracked the shipment on the “Paypal” link and USPS showed the item delivered Wednesday of last week. On Friday I printed the tracking chain, took it to my PO, and told the story. The supervisor wasn’t in, but I was promised a call back. Didn’t happen. On Saturday I spoke to my letter carrier and gave him a copy of the tracking info. He looked at it, told me he worked last Wednesday, did not remember a package for me, and was not in my neighborhood at the claimed delivery time. He said he would talk to the supervisor when he finished his route.
Today the letter carrier knocked on my door and gave me a copy of the PO’s internal tracking report. It shows that the tracking code was spoofed for a delivery to another address in my community. The sending address is a 800 sf house a couple of cities away. The PO advised me to do the things I had already done (dispute the charge, cancel/replace the credit card).
This seems like an elaborate scheme to me. The scammers spoofed a legitimate web retailer and inserted the scam page. They spoofed PayPal (seems more likely to me) or otherwise tricked PayPal into providing credit card services. Their “PayPal” receipt spoofed payment to a different legitimate business. They hacked into the USPS tracking system to provide me with a tracking number showing my zip code.
Why? To steal $53 per hit? That would be a lot of effort to go to EXCEPT they also gather credit card numbers and identifying information from people who are willing to spend $53 on a corkscrew. And probably at least considered spending $150. I’m sure they will keep as many of the $53’s as they can collect, but the value of the scam is the information. For those of us who got burned, I suggest in addition to canceling/replacing the credit card used, also change your password to your card provider website.
@davirom Thanks for reporting back. That’s really crazy. I got my new card in the mail today, and just finished changing my pw. Fwiw, I never got anything like a delivery notice, just the original invoice from PayPal. Haven’t heard a peep since then.
I wonder if the postal police would bother investigating something this small-scale. Did the letter carrier mention anything about that?
@InFrom No, but to be fair, I didn’t ask either. Years ago I reported mail theft to the postal inspector’s office that resulted in a lot of paperwork for me with no discernable results.
@davirom @InFrom
That sounds about right…
@davirom very interesting. I’ve changed my pp password. Didn’t get any spoofed tracking.
I feel for the original site but hopefully these complaints help them
@chipgreen @davirom @InFrom Wow, what a shitshow
@chipgreen @davirom @InFrom @klezman Paypal issued a refund today.
@canonizer @chipgreen @davirom @InFrom @klezman
Citi card
@canonizer @chipgreen @davirom @klezman @rjquillin Free Durand, everybody! (Just need to buy $400+ worth of glasses.)
From email: Purchase any 6 Vigneron series wine glasses, and we’ll send you a beautiful Durand wine opener for FREE! (worth $135).
@canonizer @chipgreen @InFrom @klezman @rjquillin Makes you wonder about the markup on the glasses. . . and the Durand.
@chipgreen @davirom @InFrom @klezman @rjquillin i did recently inherit some 2001 Bordeaux so they’re might be an opportunity to try my fake durand