We scooped up all of the remaining Two Jakes of Diamonds inventory and this may be the last of it! Now’s the time to buy before it’s all gone.
This offer is entirely a Red Wine offer, predominantly Library Selections. It is a true Mystery Offer, but will include many of your favorite Two Jakes wines!
4x Two Jakes of Diamonds Mystery Red Wine Case:
12x Two Jakes of Diamonds Mystery Red Wine
About The Winery
Winery: Diamond Ridge Vineyards
Owner: Jake S. Stephens III
Location: Lake County, CA
My name is Jacob S. Stephens III, but everyone calls me Jake. I represent the third generation in our family to embrace the life of a farmer, following in the footsteps of my grandfather Jacob, and my father Jake II.
The Diamond Ridge Vineyards name derives from the Lake County diamonds found on the property. Diamond Ridge is located on the volcanic hillsides north of the town of Clearlake, with the eastern shores of Clear Lake just over the hill. Elevations range from 500 to 800 meters. At this elevation, there is never any fog, and the bright cool sunlight creates conditions ideal for deeply expressive Bordeaux varieties as well as Petite Sirahs of unrivaled color, grace and aroma.
Our site allows us to grow fruit that is comparable, sometimes superior, to our downhill neighbor Napa County, at a fraction of the cost of land. Many experts contend that the quality of fruit produced in mountain vineyards rivals that of the valley floors. We agree! As one of our avid grape clients remarked, “Diamond Ridge is without question the diamond in Lake County’s crown.”
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@jaybird the international mystery case was truly awful, but the next mystery case they did more than made up for it.
Two Jakes is a known commodity. They could literally give me anything they had and it would be well worth it. I’m desperately trying to text my friends awake so they can get in on this before it sells out.
Ordered in a panic because I knew this will sell out. Didn’t realize there was the coupon code. Any one tell me how long the coupon is good for? Sure I can find something in the near future with the code.
Currently sitting on 44 bottles of Two Jakes wines at an average bottle cost of $18.65, over 50% more than today’s case price. I will let others enjoy the massive discount on these great wines, while remaining happy with what I’ve already gotten for my money.
Steve and I are actually in Lake County today! We’ll be at the (somewhat belated) Tempranillo Day festival at Six Sigma. Next Saturday we’ll be tasting with Clark. If he doesn’t chime in here, I’ll ask him what’s up with Two Jakes and report back later.
Hi Folks. This is Two Jakes’ swan song, an amazing vineyard - a volcanic soil mountain vineyard with a cooling afternoon lake effect, perfect for rich, fruity Petite Sirah and BDX varieties. I made Jake’s wines from 2007 through 2021, when he was able to allocate everything as grape sales at good prices, mostly to the Hess Collection. Mostly I would make his remarkable Pomerol-like Merlot, which because of Sideways, was difficult to get a good price for as grapes, so I’d make 100 tons which mostly sold on the bulk market, and we’d bottle a couple hundred cases for the Two Jakes label. I did the same with 23 tons of Cab Franc and 70 tons of amazing Petite Sirah. I also made some Cab Sauv now and then and one vintage of Malbec.
These wines almost always sold out in bulk, but I was able to bottle my own under the WineSmith label, and I still have some 2017 Cab Franc that WineDavid will run sometime soon.
If there was ever a can’t-go-wrong Mystery pack, this is it. I can honestly say that I never made a wine off this vineyard that was less than extraordinary. My only caveat is that these wines have a long, flat aging trajectory. The longer you wait, the better they are.
This is the end of the line for Two Jakes, so if they sell out, there’ll be no more. I really want to acknowledge Jake Stephens as a wonderful client. It was a great privilege to work beside him for so many years. He trusted me to engage in a long line of sulfite-free “Roman Reserve” wines which you’ll find amazing if you’re lucky enough to get a bottle included in your assortment. Breathe these wines for at least a day, up to a week for best results. They’re quite different from the conventional sulfited wines, but will demonstrate why the Romans planted grapes all over Europe and used fine cuisine to stabilize the Empire.
@klezman No, he’s still running the vineyard, but likes that a lot more than being in the wine business. He’s got a farmer’s soul, not a salesman’s black heart. Here’s what wine sales really looks like:
I’m very pleased that he’s earned his position with Hess and others as a combination of quality and economy unparalleled in California. It’s the goal of any consultant to put themselves out of a job, and that’s what we accomplished.
You guys were a tremendous help keeping us breathing when we needed oxygen. Grateful thanks to all.
Don’t worry, you certainly haven’t seen the last of me. My 2017 Diamond Ridge Cab Franc will be featured soon.
Would be fun if they could throw in an extra Sunday deal since this sold-out (as expected) today. Like, “Extra! here’s some more stuff we found in a warehouse…”
Of course that would probably mess up some of the scripts that expect to do things on certain days only, like send the email the 2nd day, except on Fridays. Which makes me wonder, will an automated email go out tomorrow for today’s deal that you can’t buy anymore?
Congratulations to all that purchased. Fantastic deal. Outstanding wine and winemaker. As a long time Wooter/‘Mater/fullpuller/‘tsoer with the typical more wine than time to drink, it was nevertheless painful to sit this one out.
Drinking an Aspects tonight. Sorry to hear they are going out of the wine business. Sorry I was not on line this weekend and missed this offer. I am in the wine club of their neighbor Gregory Graham and he has a wonderful product he creates yearly.
Oftentimes shipments go out ahead of the stated delivery window and I have tentative travel plans Nov 20th - Dec 5th. If UPS can’t deliver this and it gets sent back to WCC, I’ll be devastated. I’m trying my best to prevent that from happening.
Do you by chance have any updates? If the delivery will take place after December 5th that’d be great. If you think the wine will ship sooner, I’ll need customer service to change the shipping address for my order.
@danidani12@kawichris650 ok, just came from the warehouse and two jakes is being built today and will go out THIS Monday. my guess for MN is will get it first week of Dec. it’s a little hard to predict with Thanksgiving and holiday rush.
I hope you’re ready for a lot of returned packages…probably including ours unless they’ll hold until Monday 27th…sending out for delivery during the biggest travel week of the year is just asking for a boatload of people to be unable to receive.
@danidani12@kawichris650@Winedavid49 Come to think of it, it was for the Scott Harvey offering that I got the shipping notice for 2 days ago. When I looked it up on UPS Mychoice, I noticed that the Two Jakes was scheduled to be delivered the same day.
@danidani12@kawichris650@rjquillin@Winedavid49 I received an “official” shipping notice (beyond the shipment just appearing in the MyChoice web page) of delivery on 11/28. That works fine for me. (I would have been gone for the original MyChoice delivery day of 11/24 and had rescheduled it to 11/27)
@danidani12@kawichris650@klezman@rjquillin@Winedavid49 I could have it delivered to a UPS store, but 1) it would probably sit there even longer than if I delay the delivery, and 2) I would rather let UPS do the driving and save myself the 80 minute round trip (with the exception of times of high heat).
@danidani12@kawichris650@klezman@Mark_L@rjquillin@Winedavid49 Check out signing up for UPS My Choice ($20 a year for unlimited changes to address or date) - mine is arriving on Nov 28 (and I will be here but I will switch delivery to a UPS CC so that I do not have to wait in) and it was giving me options of delaying delivery until Dec 12 although YMMV
@ctmariner@danidani12@kawichris650@Mark_L@rjquillin@Winedavid49 I will have to call them. If they only deliver Wednesday, Friday, and then Monday we’ll be fine. If they try to deliver Saturday that’ll be the third try. Last time I tried to get something worked out with them it was an exercise in frustration.
It’s just asking for so much trouble to send wine when half of the country is travelling.
@danandlisa Finding the USPS address thing works was an accident. I had it for a default address for other Meh sites to foil porch pirates. I ordered one of the wine offers on meh and UPS delivered the case to the US Post Office. There it was put into a locker. Guess I’m really not sure if I could redirect to that address, but as a primary, it wasn’t an issue, and no nonsense should it remain there for some time.
Yes, her too.
Accidentally, well the shipper (K&L) f’d up, and shipped a couple of held cases here, home.
Had no “shipping” address so they, without asking to where or when, used the billing address.
“Interesting” exchange with the Brown today.
I got a shipping notice, mentioned earlier
Just got my shipping notice; scheduled delivery 11/22
for delivery to business work address. Kept following tracking and it started looking wonky, well, because it was. One arrived in town, the other still in transit, then both arrived, but now the delivery date went TBD. Never saw where either made it on a truck.
Did the online chat thing and after some extended back and forth I was advised the shipper, WCC, missed the pickup time; well, they got picked up, but after the ‘these need to be picked up by…’ time for it to be delivered by the advised delivery date.
OK, so where is it now I asked.
At the local, not far from me, distribution facility, where, in the past, I’ve picked up shipments.
Ahhhh, but according to the agent, WCC shipped out prohibiting any re-routing to a different address, be it residential, business, access point, UPS store, anywhere; including the ability to pick-up at the UPS center. Only WCC could could alter ~anything~.
Well, the business will be closed tomorrow, and Friday, and Saturday so that leaves a Monday date. They will try three attempts. The agent did state the next delivery attempt day would be Monday and it would not see a truck until then.
We shall see…
I have tried repeatedly to have the delivery address updated and it was never updated by WCC. UPS will be delivering the wine tomorrow and I am out of the country. I’ve spoken with three different UPS representatives in an effort to resolve this issue and they say there’s nothing they can do. Only WCC can change the delivery name and/or delivery address.
Please for the sake of Two Jakes, I need the delivery name changed and I need WCC to authorize the delivery to be sent to the nearest UPS facility so my mom can pick it up on my behalf. I desperately do not want this package being sent back to WCC since this is the last of the Two Jakes wine.
Boy, I feel bad for WD and staff as you read the evolution of this sale.
It first started with everyone saying instant buy, then those complaining about the fact that the email doesn’t go out until the second day (and those people don’t check the website without an email notification) and that they missed the deal.
To then a whole bunch of complaints about the fact that the wine was shipped in a timely fashion.
I’m sure some who missed the deal would gladly accept the shipments from those that don’t like that the wine was shipped?
@Drez143 as one of the people who “complained” that the wine was shipped, you clearly missed the point. This is the single biggest travel weekend of the year. Many or most people aren’t home to receive and most offices are closed at least part of the week. It’s terribly wasteful if a bunch of wine needs to get shipped back to Sonoma because it was sent during Thanksgiving week. Then you have wasted money and a huge cost for WD and a bunch of angry customers who really wanted the wine but aren’t home to get it. And with UPS it’s obnoxious to try to get it redirected compared to FedEx.
Shipments that get returned get charged twice for shipping to WD, and then he has to issue a refund. It’s not good for him or his business either.
I think what most people here would prefer is that the shipping window given in the offer is adhered to. Personally, I don’t usually care, but being among the tens of millions of American residents out of town this week, I happen to care this time.
@Drez143@klezman i’m good. we felt the timing of the shipment would be the least worse in this situation. if we don’t release it, those wanting it sooner would be bothered (rightly so). we ship it, and that spells trouble for those impacted by this tough week (rightly so).
the chips will fall. i hope you get the wine in good working order. temperatures will help.
@WCCGeorge the saga continues. The updated delivery date says tomorrow and not Monday as the previous rep told me. UPS has the worst customer service I’ve ever dealt with. They can’t do anything when you call them except claim they will call the local centre to see if they’ll delay driver one day. Such a pain.
@deadlyapp pretty sure Clark has mentioned that the CF can be aged for a few decades if I remember correctly from previous postings… biggest thing is to open it and let it breathe for several days before consuming.
Extremely curious to hear others opinions of the 2012 Cabernet franc. We opened a bottle last night and honestly it was an unpleasant experence. Extremely vegetable to the point of some sourness. Maybe because we opened it the same day it arrived? The color was a issue as well. Definitely browner than I would think for a well cellared 2012. Thought giving it some air would help but the bottle was open for 3 hours and did not improve. 1/2 the bottle on the counter and will taste again today. Concerning considering half my shipment was cab franc.
3-7 days seems kind of crazy but if that is what it takes I guess. Will be curious to hear other people’s opinion once there are more bottles opened. Not sure I am willing to call it a damaged bottle yet but it was not a pleasant drinking experience.
@gtcharlie@klezman I have ordered the Roman CF case in the past & very true leave open & not start tasting for at least 3 days…for me around day 7 was the sweet spot…sounds crazy but very true. Don’t be surprised by the amount of sediment in the bottle
@dawnlac@gtcharlie@klezman This wine is a wine that has an attitude, some days it’s sweet, some days it’s a bit wild, but I really really appreciate that it has a variant character and allows you to experience a vast range of flavor and taste with only one wine!
It takes patience, and timing, and no matter what it tastes like today… it’s likely to change tomorrow, and I look forward to that every day.
So “mystery cases” I guess are just the garbage you can’t honestly sell anymore? So incredibly disappointing. Obviously this site can no longer be trusted to provide quality wine any longer in the “mystery” category.
@Vince247 It’s as if you didn’t read/see the previous Two Jakes wines offered on Casemates… of which the Roman Reserves were a prominent part, which a lot of people purchased for over $15 a bottle! If you don’t like the wine, that’s your prerogative. I’ll try to make sure I decant it in my one spare bedroom. (and yes, I too was burned by the International mystery offer)
I did offer a pretty harsh assessment but I am willing to try letting the wine breathe for much longer next time. I was pretty taken aback by my initial tasting but hopefully my hurry to try the wine was the culprit. We shall see.
Last night we opened a 2012 Roman Reserve Cab Franc that’s been down in the cellar for several years and it was fantastic. Definitely has the “natural wine” kind of funkiness and changed quite a bit through the evening. I’ve got some left to taste the next few days. Sediment is an issue and there is a lot of finesediment so I did filter a glass or two through cheese cloth and thought that worked well.
Very happy with this mystery case haul for $11/btl. I’m familiar with all of these wines and enjoy all of them. This mystery case wins the QPR award for sure. As someone who loves library wines, it’s cool that the oldest vintage is 2010 and the most recent is 2017!!
Is this really a mystery offer? No. Not when you look at the very, very similar offerings each has received, by bottle and by year. And yes, I did read the write up.
Call it a marketing ploy, which I also fell for, that many of us might equate to the old Wellington days when it truly was a mystery. Some hit it rich with an old, true library wine, while others didn’t; luck of the draw. This doesn’t seem like that.
Heck, I pretty much can guess what’s in my case just by reading what others have posted and I haven’t even picked it up yet from the local Unbelievably Poor Service store.
Smart (and shady) marketing. The powers to be could’ve made this a 4 pack with one each of RR CF, CS, Aspects, and PS, or a case with 3 of each, with a listing of the possible vintages received.
But then, how many would’ve taken the bait? My bet, a lot less. Too bad.
@shrimp74 A non mystery offer with the selections you’ve listed would have sold out just as quickly at an $11/btl price point. I’ve been buying, drinking, and loving these wines for almost 10 years. A farewell offering (no more Two Jakes wine being made) at an all time low price for even the cheapest of these bottles in a Casemates offering, and it’s an auto buy. I have no regrets.
@shrimp74 I think you’re conflating mysteriousness and randomness. It was a mystery offer, and some cases do vary. I’m not surprised by the relative sameness because unless you have some means of randomizing all the available wines you have to let humans pack the boxes and people need some set of rules to do their job remotely efficiently.
@lehigh Terrifically. Were there some overlaps in bottles? Sure. But there was a tremendous amount of case variety. Very, very few ever got the same case. It was fun, and opening a mystery offer box was like Christmas morning. This deal was also like Christmas morning, but unfortunately your siblings already told you what you’re going to be opening, because they also got the same thing.
@shrimp74 Two Jakes has Merlot, Petite Sirah, Reserve Cab, Aspects, and Roman Reserve CF in this offer, some with multiple vintages. 5 different wines. There is just not that much variation possible. Peter Wellington had 20-30 wines in multiple vintages. It’s just not even close to the same thing. Was the Wellington mystery case the best offering of all time? Absolutely. Is this offering a disappointing failure? No way.
Delivered to my office today…UPS tried to deliver on Friday (so they said), but came back today:
4X 2012 Roman Reserve Cabernet Franc
2X 2013 Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
2X 2013 Aspects
2X 2013 Petit Sirah
2x 2017 Petit Sirah
I have no problems with what i got as my cost / bottle is $9 - 13 (the range is depending on the drinkability of the CF). If nothing else, makes a great gift at this time of year. Lotsa people will see “2013” on the bottle and be impressed
@bunnymasseuse@Mark_L LOL! I got 8 2012 and 2 2010 so I’m right behind you. I think all the drama of this offer is whether people enjoy the RRCF or not. Yes, it’s very different. Yes, it will have a ton of sediment, that doesn’t mean it’s bad. I would imagine there is probably bottle variation, but all the 2012 and 2010’s I’ve opened from previous offers have been pretty consistent. A wine that really makes you think and is changing constantly. I may open one of the bottles that came this week to see if they are problematic. It seems somewhat unlikely with a wax seal, but I’m sure it’s possible.
4x2012 RR Cab Franc
4x2017 Petite Sirah (Yay!)
2x2103 Reserve Cabernet Sauv.
I had a poor experience with the first RR Cab Franc this summer at the beach and am interested to give them another try. Did not give it 7 days until first tastes, but had it every day through the week.
@eastcoastmary Unknown, even by Clark. They might last many easily be many decades. I intend to put some in back of cellar (closet under stairs, with styrofoam boxes) and not think of them for a long time. Make sure you go back to the offers for those and watch the videos for the Roman Reserve CFs. They’re really quite special.
I still haven’t received mine. UPS, bless their hearts, thought it prudent to keep trying to deliver every day during Thanksgiving week and on the weekend after the wine was unwisely sent 2-day transit to SoCal during Thanksgiving week. Despite assurances that they would deliver it today, the only brown truck that came by stopped a few doors down and then went along its merry way.
So now I will have to call them a fifth time to try to actually get them to deliver the wine.
2 2013 Aspects
2 2017 Petit Sirah
2 2013 Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
6 2012 Roman Reserve Cabernet Franc
No complaints, although I was hoping to see a few different years of the Roman Reserve. I have a number of the 2012 RR and have opened two so far. Treated both the same, decanted and tried a bit immediately, then finished them over 7 days. The first one was fantastic, the second not so fantastic. Maybe more bottle variability with un-sulfured wine?
Received 8 RR cab francs (3 2010 and 5 2012) 2 2017 ps, and 2 2013 aspects. Funny, Clark mentioned something about those “lucky enough to get RR cab franc” in the order. Apparently, everyone was very, very lucky! Wish I’d been less lucky and had more variety, but those are the breaks with mystery packs. All good.
@hscottk I got exactly the same mix as you with the same reaction - would have liked more PS, CS and/or Merlot instead of 2/3rds of a case of RR CF - a bit disappointed and very nervous about opening a CF
What is the trick to get the wax seal off the RR Cab Franc? I’ve had many bottles with wax seals, but never one as thin, stuck on, and difficult to remove as these. Any hints to minimize the difficulties with the next bottle?
@LSeewoester I opened the bottle earlier this afternoon and let it sit without cork for about three hours. It smelled off as soon as I pulled the cork, but thought I would wait to see. Poured a first glass and there was no doubt it was no good. The glass was also full of pieces of sediment up to 1/4 inch square. Seems not right to me!
There is going to be lots of sediment in these. Great big chunks, and a lot of small stuff that ends up as “sludge” on the bottom. The second bottle I had was not very good as I recall, but it was a year or so ago and I don’t remember the exact details. I seem to remember it had a real off smell like acetone.
What I did with both bottles was to pour it off into a decanter to give it lots of exposure to air. Put something over the top so critters can’t get in. If you don’t have a real decanter, pour it off into some kind of container leaving as much of the crud in the bottle as possible, dump the dregs and clean the bottle, find a funnel and return to the bottle. Cover with something to keep the critters out, but let the air in. The level should be below the neck to give it air. If not, pour some into a glass and have a taste. It will be funky, but not terrible on opening. Gets better with air, lots and lots of air.
Any of the Roman Reserves will need this.
Iirc when the first one of these came out he said he used some old Roman technique to preserve the wine like they did for the soldiers fighting distant wars vs using sulphur like they do now? Maybe the soldiers didn’t care what it tasted or smelled like because it got them drunk I know klez let me try that one after it was open for 3 or 5 days and I thought it tasted and smelled like cheese. I was not a fan but what do I know.
Also, if you are storing these on the side, put it upright for a at least a day or so to let it settle before you open it. Clark’s “experimental” wines can be different, and people tend to love them or hate them. The Roman Reserve is about as far out there as you can get. Some of his other wines are more
“mainstream” and fantastic.
One of my 2012 RR is missing half the wax cap. Good excuse to open and decant it later today.
@cdgrimm@klezman@ScottW58@Springbank Thanks everyone! It’s in a decanter, w/ a paper towel loosely stuffed on top to keep out the fruit flies. Filtered out the sludge. It’s definitely interesting and I’m certainly open to trying something new and different.
Upon pop and pour I thought at first, like many, it had been corked but corked wine is distinct and this is not that. I thought to myself is this just really really really tight? Looks like it.
I only wish I knew what I was signing up for - I’ve had many of Clark’s wines before but I’m not such a fan girl to know about the RR’s. This is the kind of thing I’d pick up a bottle or two to check out. Now I’ve got 8.
@cdgrimm@klezman@LSeewoester@ScottW58 The good thing is that Clark says they will last for decades. Stash them somewhere and years from now you can discover them all over again.
All kidding aside, 8 is probably too many for what is really more a novelty than a daily, or even monthly drinker. I got 12 yesterday, and probably another 8 or so from the last time.
@cdgrimm@klezman@LSeewoester@ScottW58@Springbank Exactly the same boat here. I would have passed if I had known that more than half my case would have been these RR’s (or even if any of them were going to be this).
My household is a 2 hour max decant type of house before the bottle is consumed. I personally don’t know a single local person who would be down for having to decant something for 2-7 days.
Internally, I wished I had passed on this and simply used that money to buy a case of the recent WS offering that I passed on due to having bought this.
Oh well though. Can’t change anything now!
Curious why Clark has been MIA? He’s always on here and now that the rabbit is out of the hat with the RR wines not a word. I was hoping to get no more than four RR wines but ended up with six. My gut feeling is that the RR wines are an experiment gone bad. Real bad.
@losthighwayz or he’s just busy.
Either way, I think it might be time for another experiment with this wine. Assuming I get my case tomorrow I’ll probably open one up and drink over several days and report back.
I’ve been concerned about the comments regarding the 2012 RR Cab Franc, especially since I have 10 bottles from 2 cases. I couldn’t wait any longer so popped a bottle to see. Fortunately, the bottle I opened is well aged and quite tasty, with no negatives to note.
@RRichmo with fellow folks here who don’t drink wine, smelling only I got “embalming fluid” (their father used to be a mortician), “vinegar” or “balsamic vinaigrette” reports on the nose, but none drink it anyway so no way to convince them the nose does not identify the taste properly at this time.
For me, it needs some more air, but does not taste “turned” at all.
I just opened the one I got with the chipped wax cap. Much less sediment that the last one I opened or the one shown above. No weird aroma of acetone/higher alcohols or general funk. The color is red, not the brown indicated above. Decanted and poured the last ounce or so with the dregs into a coffee cup. Let it settle for a bit and took a taste. First tiny sip was intensely sharp and made me want to say “wow,” but not the taste of a wine gone bad. Let it sit for another 15 minutes or so and tried again. The acidity had died down, or my taste buds had, but it tasted pretty fresh and fruity. Not bad at all. I think this bottle will be very drinkable.
After 6 phone calls, multiple re-delivery attempts, drivers who won’t actually come to the door, and more wrangling with the absurdly bad “customer service” of UPS I finally got the case!
4x 2012 Cab Franc RR
2x 2010 Cab Franc RR
2x 2013 Aspects v2
2x 2013 Cab Sauv Reserve
2x 2017 Petite Sirah
Wish I’d gotten some of the Merlot hanging around there but this is a solid case and a screaming deal.
@bunnymasseuse Oh, I’m happy with the case. I was just lower on Merlot and already had 4x of the 2012 CF.
I also just opened a bottle (that had been sitting here a long time) of the 2012 Cab Franc RR and it’s screamingly good even at pnp. Not totally open, that’s for sure, but it rings like a mature-ish Bordeaux that’s still got plenty of fruit. The plan is to have a glass a day until it’s gone and see what happens.
@klezman agree, even a good 1hr sit has helped, most of what I had at pnp has improved already and the heavy balsamic nose tones have diminished.
I know this RR is very “roller coaster” on its day by day taste profile, so I’m already dialed in for that ride, and will drink other wine and wait for it to beckon me in and envelope me when it’s ready . Like an angsty teenager, rebellious phases with some “I love you” moments you wait for .
@bunnymasseuse@klezman will one of you who enjoy the RR CF open one of the bottles that just arrived? I might do this also. Because I totally enjoyed the 2012 that I opened the other night, but it had also been down in the cellar for a long while since the last offer in March of 2021. Wondering if these recently arrived bottles are freaked out from the shipping or if something happened to the lot of them in storage.
The one I opened had just arrived. It seems fine. I have opened a total of three of these. Two a while back from previous buys, and this one. One of the old ones was fantastic, and one was spoiled. I just think that without preservatives, this is more likely to happen.
@bunnymasseuse@klezman@Springbank@wnance Same. Opened a 2012 that just arrived last night, and also one or two a month or so back that I already had. No issues (or patience to let them fully decant) with any, but someone earlier called it “sharp” for the first half hour or so which is how they felt for me as well.
Ignored it on day two. Day three tried a small glass. It seems like the color has evolved. I did not get a great look at it in a glass on opening, but the decanter and the little I poured off at the end seemed to be a light red. Now it appears to be brick red. Aroma is now faint, taste has gotten less fruity, and more something else that I’m not really sure of. Has an amazing aftertaste that lingers, and reminds me of the feeling you get with something slightly effervescent, but it’s not. minerality perhaps? Interesting, but still evolving.
@james@klezman@Springbank@wnance look forward to hearing more, seriously. The one thing that I fell in love with regarding this wine is that it always teaches me something, and as a person who is always trying to lean something, and gain knowledge, it both challenges my patience as well as my taste buds.
So, for science (!) I opened a bottle of the 2012 RR Cab Franc after leaving it sitting straight up for a day. I poured it into a decanter through a strainer to capture any sediment, and there was a lot of it! It is cloudy in the decanter, and I poured about an ounce to sample. On the nose it is earthy, not at all what I would call funky. It is very acidic, not quite vinegar, but close. Balsamic is the term that comes to mind. I would not drink this in its’ current state. I plan on leaving the decanter (covered) on the counter for up to seven days, sampling a little each day until it has evolved into something drinkable. Otherwise, down the drain, lol! To the Romans!
@davidd13 Let it sit in the decanter for a long while and pour gently. Or pour it through some cheesecloth. Wines that have a fine sediment (vintage port can also do this) will have the mouthfeel and perceived bitterness greatly affected from those fines suspended in the wine. Yes, it’s a pain to pour and enjoy these types of wine, but they also often offer a more thoughtful experience IMHO.
I decanted a bottle yesterday and your picture and description match my experience closely. Will sample a small glass this evening to start the tasting process. Not sure I have cheesecloth around. A suitable substitute?
@davidd13@gtcharlie no real substitute except a very fine strainer. You can hold your glass up to a light and see if you can see the fines suspended in the wine. If there’s no fines it will be more brilliantly clear.
Thanks for the suggestions. Did obtain some cheesecloth and my wife and I tasted after the one day in the decanter and using the cloth. Honestly no improvement. Still very sour and more vinegary than is acceptable. Plenty left to taste over the next few days but my skepticism is growing. Hard to see this wine all of a sudden blossoming. I would settle for being drinkable. At this point it certainly is not that.
@davidd13@gtcharlie@rpstrong@wnance yeah the described smell at first matches mine, a day made a big difference, but don’t worry, this is a roller coaster, I tend to get about three different variations of taste with this wine: earthy/vegetable, berry and more Bordeaux like, or spicy/peppery edge (less so much this one).
Seriously though, it can go past 7 days, longest I had it for was 11 and I was too impatient and it tasted delicious to let it go further!
@davidd13 After the first day, a little more fruit and a little less earth on the nose. Put it through the strainer that came with my Vinturi three times into a small glass until it was mostly clear. It is a bit less acidic and a better finish. Still not something I would care to drink, but definitely improved. Very interesting.
@davidd13 Wow! After two days the nose has softened greatly, now mostly fruity, berry notes. And although it is still tight, has become drinkable, with a lingering finish. I am very excited to let this sit a third day!
@rjquillin It is just sitting in a decanter on my dining room table. I have a bottle cap on top to deter any fruit fly’s that may be around, however unlikely this time of year. Still some fine sediment in the bottom but it filters out with no problem.
Really?! working on a bottle to remove sludge, standing up for days, decanting for 5 to 7 days just to make it drinkable lol. And having to do that 4 or 5 times depending how many bottles you have. Pretty sure in most worlds that would be a flawed bottle IMHO.
@rpstrong@ScottW58 I don’t tend to open this bottle and expect to drink it right away, which means I have to have an understanding about how the winemaker made it and what it was intended to drink and taste like.
I may never know what it was like to drink wine in Roman times, but I can imagine this is much better!
@bunnymasseuse@rpstrong@ScottW58 Let’s also remember we paid $11 for it. I’ve been hoarding these but now I’ll open them more frequently for wine enthusiast friends or just to have a crazy thoughtful wine open for a week…
I popped a bottle yesterday. Decanted through a fine screen, had sediment similar to the pic posted by davidd13. No off-putting aromas; a small PnP taste was rather jumbled, but - again - nothing off-putting. Will try and test on a daily basis.
Based on other reviews, it appears that there may be a high mortality rate on a battle-by-bottle basis.
But hey, $11 for something other than the usual juice? Why not.