@ScottW58 And Ed would certainly make for a few days of interesting winery chat to introduce those not familiar to ww what winery participation is all about.
Wonder if a rat bottle is in the wild.
Heck, this could even be a CM custom launch bottle.
That would be more than exciting.
@Lighter Yep. JanKris, Cycles and Kunde early on were all at the wrong end of the scale in my opinion. That said, it’s possible the’ve made improvements, or got new ownership/new winemaker/new vines??? Something needed to change, no doubt.
@vaaccess I think that in those early days - one offering a week - wineries didn’t know what to make of woot wine. And didn’t put their “good” stuff on the line. I’d guess that winedavid had to do some serious arm twisting to come up with those early offerings.
@Lighter Agreed. Long story short…I’m doing a SMALL bit of vines on our land, struggling, but anyway…pondered what it would be like to have to sell wine that I made that I didn’t like. Terrifying prospect!
@North316 Took me a while, but finally figured out what you’re talking about. That could work well. Then there’s also Celia Ramsay, i.e. Kent Rasmussen’s wife. A KR offering to start this place off could be rather interesting.
If WineDavid’s clue is Colonel Mustard in the library with a revolver, that may be a reference to Steven Millhauser short stories in the Barnum Museum. He describes a bottle of wine a quarter filled and it’s label is a grape arbor with three purple birds overhead and also describes a wine glass with the legend “Brotherhood: America’s oldest winery.” We can go two ways here, the first is the Brotherhood winery in the Hudson valley of New York, or Scott Harvey, the oldest deeded vineyard in the state of California. No more obtuse then “Invisible” as a clue leading to Jimmy Stewart, WDs favorite actor starring in the movie Harvey, which was a clue for Scott Harvey. So I really hope that Colonel mustard in the library was in fact Wine David’s clue. Will find out tomorrow whether it’s winner winner chicken dinner or try again next time.
@msten Ah, but Colonel Mustard was not written by WD. That was just the first reaction to “Clue” in the thread title. What if instead the first comment had been the professor in the study with the candlestick?
Take these two together and I suspect we’ve got something related to the game/movie Clue that also has something to do with music. But this is the kind of puzzling I’m terrible at, especially with my pop culture knowledge being minimal, so I’ll leave it to y’all.
@rjquillin capital C in clue is for Clark aka Clark Smith who travels the country discussing the corelation of drinking wine while listening to music, aka “composing” something. This seems easy to me, he has wine, and who else could spark such a conversation on an Initial offering? I want to know what I get for being right, because I would be surprised if I was wrong.
At this late stage, with no clue, and with the effort put in to my analysis of an apparent non- clue, I would hope WD feels somewhat pressured into either of the options offered. So which is it WD, Brotherhood or Scott Harvey?
Band back together eh? Mixed cases of woot cellars wines would be out of the question for multitudes of reasons, don’t see Cohn, but some of the wooter favs for sure, although not sure if Peter has anything left (perhaps cases of Chard!). I could see Scott, perhaps TO, Pedroncelli easily, perhaps a casemate labeled wine?
@bsevern early on in the kickstarter, WD did mention he was getting the old band back together; I took that to mean some of the original people involved with pre-mothership ww, many that are now here at meh and instrumental with this phoenix we’re awaiting in ~3+ hours.
@jmruru@peterW himself is around, you could try asking him, but I expect that their license to sell using the wellington name is either expired or soon to expire. I have no idea what happens after that?
@WineDavid49 I should add…Given the Librarian hint, I’d also like to add that if it is a KR PS, a library vertical would be out of this world awesome…Our first case that isn’t all the same wine? That would be tremendous.
@Twich22 hope it was worth it. I’ll be adding additional notes again this evening.
We really can’t say what it is, just salivate 'till it goes live. @winedavid49 clue was actually pretty easy with google, it was fun watching the guesses.
Who got the PN and is slacking? @rpm needs to get these as well
@WineDavid49 ought to know about this, and I’m tagging him just to make sure. Just in case he’s got notification turned off (I would, if I were him, because he’s popular), I’ll also poke @dave and @snapster.
That said, I’m exhausted and not sure i’ll make it to Midnight ET. Why can’t it be earlier??? I think we should push it to Midnight of the earliest US based time zone. Those in USVI or Bermuda would certainly appreciate it, right?
this needed another clue. sooner next time: “Stewart is a Scottish surname (also used as a masculine given name) possibly of pre-7th century Old English origin, derived from stigeweard, the genitive prefix stige meaning “hall”, and the suffix weard meaning “guardian” or “warden”.”
The progenitor of the Stewart family was Alan fitz Flaad, a Breton knight who settled in England after the Norman Conquest. His son, Walter fitz Alan, relocated to Scotland during the Anarchy, became the High Steward of Scotland, hence the origin of the surname.
The House of Stewart was the longest serving royal dynasty of Scotland.
"Agustin Huneeus has been discovering great vineyards of the world throughout a career in wine spanning five decades and 15 countries.
Agustin and wife Valeria founded the Quintessa estate in the renowned Rutherford District of Napa Valley in 1990 and after years of running global wine companies, established a family portfolio of wines that represent the finest vineyard estates, appellations and wines in both North and South America.
In addition to the Quintessa estate, Agustin’s current vineyard and winery projects include Faust Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon and Illumination Napa Valley Sauvignon Blanc."
Arnie Esterer of Markko Vineyards in Conneaut, OH is 85 but I know that’s not it. Just got me to thinking about the time Clark Smith stopped in Cleveland while doing an Amtrak book tour for Postmodern Winemaking. He did a private tasting for us (which included his Roman Reserve Cab Franc a full 2 years before it was released) then we hung out with him again the following day as he visited Arnie at Markko Vineyards. Arnie and his late partner were disciples of Dr. Konstantin Frank who first brought vinifera grapes to New York’s Finger Lakes in the 1950s or 60s. After tasting with Arnie for awhile, we all trekked over to M Cellars to visit with Ohio’s vinifera torch-bearer Matt Meineke. The winery was closed to the public that day so we had the place to ourselves to taste most of the wines, including barrel samples. Clark also played some guitar and sang for us while Arnie hummed along. Good times…
OK, I give up. How does the clue associate with Charles Smith?
Charles Smith has been called everything from the Wildman of Walla Walla to Winemaker of the Year (2009 Food and Wine Magazine & 2010 Seattle Magazine). Looking more like rock star Sammy Hagar of Van Halen fame, than the stereotypical winemaker, Charles is a rock star in the winemaking world.
Next time, could you get some Davis PN?
The “Hardy” took my mind directly to Laurel and Hardy. A quick search for “Laurel winery” took me to Laurel Glen, Laurel Ridge, and one other I can’t recall. The I related the “Ross” to Glengarry Glen Ross. Good grief…are WD’s clues starting to make sense to me?
From the article;
“The Vintage Wine Estates team will take on all national sales and marketing responsibilities for the two brands effective immediately. The current winemakers for both Clayhouse and Buried Cane will continue to make the wines in the traditional style and flavor profile that have garnered critical acclaim.”
Hmmmmm…there’s also the possibility of the “other” Elvis (Costello).
I know he’s had concerts at a few CA wineries:
The Mountain Winery
Chateau Ste Michelle
He also had a song “Down Among the Wines and Spirits” which included this lyric:
“Bubbles escaping from him from the rim of a glass of grape”.
WD did recently mention that there may be some bubbles in our future…
@rjquillin No…the tar pits are on the order of a few tens of thousands of years old. Younger than the dinosaurs by several tens of millions of years. Lots of sabre-toothed cats, however. (But don’t call them tigers either.)
@jmdavidson1 Me, Scott or Peter? Nope.
I was just looking at woot bottles with ‘old’ and throwing a dart.
But there are a few other choices that fit that criteria as well.
Perhaps some Inspiration Vineyards
I wish I could. Work has been pretty crazy and it’s too hard to reliably get anywhere on a weeknight. It’s one I seriously thought about though. I just don’t want to book it and then end up being late and missing half.
OK, my one completely off the wall guess will be Miner Family Oracle…though you’d have to have gotten a screaming deal on it. If it screams loudly enough, I could be persuaded.
(Golden State plays at the Oracle Arena)
So my first guess, Virtue Wines, was a fairly quick jump form the clue to “patience” to “patience is a virtue” to "Virtue Wines.
I was OK with that guess until i thought to myself “that’s not really WD’s style”.
So…I literally Googled “I hate waiting” and the first thing that came up was:
Princess Bride! Aaaahhhh…much more WD’s style!!! This led directly to “Inigo Montoya” to “the Spaniard” to “Twisted Oak”.