@hscottk …and we have a winner! I should say that each of these were quite good, which was part of the fun. I like some fruit in my zin, and that definitely showed in the tasting results.
Third place, Wellington estate. Fruit fading a bit, but good acid and a definite oak influence. On a 100 point scale, this would be high 80s.
Second place, Scherrer old vines. I expected this to come out on top, which is part of what make blind tastings so interesting. Raspberry, menthol, allspice… it’s all there. I gave it a 90 in CT.
First place, Noceto OGP. This just edged out the Scherrer, with a ton of complexity and fruit: cranberry, raspberry, cedar, and just the right amount of acid. I think the Noceto zin flies a bit under the radar, eclipsed a bit by SH 1855 1869 and other top producers. It’s a nicely balanced zin that hits all the right notes, fully deserving of the top spot.
This was my first horizontal blind tasting and really enjoyed it. Looking forward to doing things like this with larger groups as COVID restrictions ease.
@hscottk Fair question - you’re right, they’re all well in my wheelhouse and I can’t stand jammy fruit bombs. Might as well have grape juice!
So within my Zin preference this trio (which I’ve had all of these, although not side by side) gets all the variation. Peter’s is richer and darker and I’m only starting to get into the 2009-10 as starting to enter my preferred drinking window. I drink the Meeks a bit earlier.
The Noceto is lighter all around, given it’s Amador and has an overall redder fruit profile.
The Scherrer I’m only starting to figure out, but I found it in between. Not as big and rich as Peter’s Zins but still built to age at least a decade. I liked the 2013 OMV last year enough to go in on some futures for the 2019.
So yeah, none are over the top Michael David-style stuff. But within the realm of “serious” Zin, this shows a diversity of styles to me. You want to really span the gamut, probably add in some Bedrock, Turley, and Ridge. 8-10 years old is, imo, also a good window to do this sort of thing since the super youthful fruit has faded a touch and the rest of the wine can come out.
Edit: I never actually got any 2013 Wellington Estate Zin. My vintages of that end at 2012 unfortunately.
@FritzCat@hscottk I had a 1993 Ravenswood Old Hill a couple weeks ago. Really shows what classically styled Zin can do, even though it’s made in the “no wimpy wines” style! I tried a 2014 O+F Bedrock Zin a few months ago and decided it needed another few years to be in my window. For me, too much fruit obscures the other interesting stuff going on.
@hscottk@kawichris650@klezman I had an OGP vineyard vintage “horizontal” back in the woot days, with Noceto, S Harvey, Di Arie. Unfortunately didn’t get a group together to taste. I did have a WineSmith Grenache from the same grapes as a sparkler, rose and a red.
@hscottk@msten Yes! A few years back I was wandering around a grocery store in Santa Rosa, and asked a clerk for a wine recommendation, and he steered me toward a Wilson Zin. I joined their club, and finally stopped when I had too many to drink. I’m having (mostly vaccinated) people over on Saturday, and planning to focus on Cabs…maybe I’ll pull out an older Wilson…
@losthighwayz my biggest downside is that I’m not a big lamb fan, though the meal was planned as a gift to someone else who was, and it was a great pairing, but I prefer my lamb in a biryani or Persian meal, which would have led to a totally different wine choice.
@klezman@losthighwayz@Winedavid49 my pick for next fancy meal is fish, I’ll post picks of the lamb when I can, need to sleep, have class from 3am-9am ET 4/5 and there’s a test at the end! Will check the wine offering for Monday when I’m done that!
Yeah someone on the CT board consistently talks how great Richard Arrowood’s wines were so I took a chance on this bottle when it came up in a K&L auction, nobody bid on it and got it for 80 bones. Really great buy
Very interesting Easter Dinner with a few friends: SWMBO and rpm, our knowledgeable friends who have tasted with us before as Lab Rats, and a single lady who enjoys fine wine.
California Roederer (we were out of Iron Horse here in FL…) with hors d’oeuvres and an asparagus tart as the first course… lovely.
Grilled lamb chops as the main course. What does one drink with lamb chops?
The wine can only be described as stunning. Wonderful mature nose, but with significant restrained black currant fruit, hints of violets and licorice, mingled perfectly with the Rutherford dust and the bottle age characteristics. Good fruit, full flavor in the entry, medium body, no flabbiness in the middle palate which one often gets as an old wine slides towards oblivion, a quite long finish, with resolved but present tannins - velvet, and absolutely no hint of acetic acid. Had I tasted this blind without knowing its age or provenance, I would have said Rutherford bench Cabernet, made in the old style, but only about 20-25 years old, with years of life left. Maybe a Corison, but nothing heavier or less complex.
For those lucky few who remember the 2012 Cabernet Seminar section of the rpm Magical History Tour, and the amazing variants on the 1968 Louis Martini Special Selection Cabernet, this wine was substantially superior and tasted younger, 8 years further on. And I’m not taking anything away from the quality of the Martini which was one of the best wines of the year. The characteristic elegance of the 1968 vintage was a remarkable display of winemaking.
All of this in a bottle with a high shoulder fill…
The second red (since the BV really yielded a glass each) was also a stunningly good wine, though much too young and with a very different, but fascinating profile (we had originally planned on a 1970 Chateau Pichon-Lalande, but after the BV, we decided that the Pichon deserved a chance to be the star of an evening): 2013 Cheval des Andes which our wine friend couple had brought in case one of our bottles was OTH.
![Best Argentine Wine EVER!]
I cannot say enough about the Malbec dominated (67%) Cab (25%) and Petit Verdot (8%) blend. A wine that will clearly develop well for at least 25-35 years, I would estimate peak around 2050. Our friends had managed to snag a fair bit of this at less than half what it was supposed to cost a few years ago, and were thrilled to share it. Lovers of great Cab/Bordeaux: go buy some and lay it down! You can’t buy 50+ year old BV de Latour, but you can buy this and put it away to slumber towards perfection.
Finishing off a 2016 Heart’s Needle Riesling from Mendocino and them moving on to a 2018 Piers Pinot Noir PK from Sonoma Coast. Piers is one of the Garagiste “hidden” labels for private bottlings. This one is from Lioco.
Drove down to the Hocking Hills region of Southern OH over Easter weekend with my wife and her sister, to visit another sister and her husband.
2018 Vacationer Rose
2001 Marqués de Riscal Rioja Gran Reserva
2009 WineSmith PennyFarthing Chardonnay
NV Graham Beck Brut Rose
N.V. Segura Viudas Cava Brut Reserva Heredad 1.5L
2013 M Cellars Noiret
2009 Elevage Wine Company Cabernet Sauvignon Raised by Wolves
Had the Rioja with some delicious flatbread pizza made from Pillsbury dough brushed with EVOO and sprinkled with basil, onions, green and red peppers and Italian sausage. The wine was just as good as everyone has been saying. Glad I got in on it.
Kicked off Easter Sunday with a breakfast of bacon, scrambled eggs and hash browns with a side of banana bread. Used the Segura Viudas for Mimosas.
Drank the Raised By Wolves Cab with dinner - grilled ribeye, roasted yukon gold potatoes and tortellini salad. Can’t go wrong with “Cab and a slab” and the RBW was drinking great!
Marqués de Riscal Spanish Rioja, 2016
OK, this keeps coming up, and I have(had) 11 bottles left. I don’t recall the first one, but #2 is: Great fruit, full spectrum. Drying tannins. Enough acid to make me want to take another sip.
Will be drinking with an avocado salad that I made; avocados, tomatoes, roasted pablanos, jalapenos, red onion soaked in rice wine vinegar, cilantro, a shallot, fresh garlic, coriander, cumin, salt, black pepper, a little garlic powder, a little chile powder and a little lime juice.
The alcohol is well-masked. Relatively short finish. Overall, a very nice drinking wine.
@dirtdoctor You’ve got some of that Gazzi?! Lucky bastard! IIRC the 2006 and 2007 were straight Pinot while 2008 or whatever it was had Syrah blended in. Next you’re going to say you still have D’Ontspille Le Black!
Based on the responses, it seems like I may not be too late to enjoy these (at least the Pinot). I looked at the WE 2021 Vintage Chart and it shows 2006 and 2007 Sonoma Pinot as likely past peak and potentially undrinkable for 2006. Seems like I should get to them soon though.
I also got my second shot yesterday - cheers!
My celebration was a little more subdued. Went right from the vax appt. to a local brewery. Ordered some Chinese takeout from the place 2 doors down from the brewery and enjoyed the food while tasting through a flight of beers with my LW. Took a planned day off today as a just-in-case but other than a slight headache and sore arm, so far so good!
@chipgreen@ScottW58 Congrats on your 2nd shot! Thank you for posting about your vaccination. I was lucky and had no side effects. I have been fully vaccinated since 3rd week in January (healthcare worker). I think it’s important for those that are nervous to hear other stories and that most side effects are minimal or short lasting. Just wanting to do my part as a good human and stay health myself and for those around me. I have enjoyed little more social activity with other vaccinated people. Looking forward to everything getting back to normal!
@ScottW58 '12, has definitely changed since release, which was what only 3, 4 years ago? Losing it’s youthful exuberance for sure, needed a couple of hours to strut it’s stuff.
As you say celebrations are taking on a new meaning. Celebrating we went out for our second little outdoor lunch today in two weeks, after hibernating for a year after being fully vaccinated. Fingers crossed the trend can continue!
@Winedavid49 First one I’ve opened, so no basis for comparison. I kinda get what Klez mentioned, about a ‘house’ style Randy has, but it’s a good thing here. Nice and restrained, didn’t get any raisins and in no way over-the-top or over-the-hill; for me it’s in a nice place. Three CT peeps say drink by 2021, seems like it’s easily got additional. I see we got them for $20+ four years ago, now over $40 on Wine Searcher.
Well done. Missed today’s offer.
@rjquillin@Winedavid49 Randy’s Zins are especially long lived. The 2009 RRV is still in a great drinking window and the 2013 is just getting into my preference for its prime drinking.
We drank a 2005 Estate (i.e. Home Ranch) back in 2017 and it was phenomenal, and showing no signs of slowing down. At the winery some time around 2013 we tasted the 2002 (his inaugural vintage) and it was excellent but too spendy for us to take a bottle home.
CellarTracker tells me that molarchae and I have consumed over 5 cases of Harvest Moon in the last 9 years.
@CorTot@kaolis@klezman@rjquillin I’m happy to live on IPA, but my bride loves reds and browns. I totally agree that too often a brewery falls down the rabbit hole and spends all the effort on IPA and hazy and milkshake beers, leaving her wanting.
My favorite local brewery, now closed over two years, had the broad spectrum. IPA, sure. Foeder aged sour, yep. And browns and reds. A great full range.
Back to the w00tstout, Stone makes great beer and with new leadership has moved beyond heavy hopped exclusively. We’ll see what that means for market share and longevity.
Realized I hadn’t tried one of these yet, damn I’m glad I have some! Also smoked some pork chops, you know putting some smoke on pork chops is magical
Damn my new phone doesn’t show the upload link for pics
You mean you mostly drink David-provided wine or that you only post when you do? The rest of us feel no such restraint!
I’ll post whatever beverage I’m enjoying, no matter where I got it. For example, I’ve posted various beers on occasion. But yes, the vast majority of my wine collection is a result of David’s ability to source great wine at great prices, and rob us all of our money.
I still have one left. I shared some with 4 other people at a DIY sushi night and although the sushi turned out GREAT, no one was impressed with the saké. The assumption was perhaps it was oxidized, but I have very little experience with the beverage.
2016 Copain Les Voisins Chardonnay, Anderson Valley
2015 Williams Selyem Pinot Noir, Terra de Promissio Vineyard, Sonoma County
2017 Sandler Pinot Noir Bien Nacido Vineyard, Santa Maria Valley
Siduri Pinot (mystery…I have no details
…with a variety of empanadas, great friends, and a lovely fire pit.
NV Domaine Brazilier Coteaux du Vendômois Brut Methode Traditionnelle
2014 Red Newt Cellars Dry Riesling
Two Garagiste offerings, as it turns out. In-laws grew up around the Finger Lakes and wanted to have something local. That, and it’s delicious.
Interesting evening, we’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Found a bottle I think I retrieved from @klezman from a K&L pickup
2002 Three Dog Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon
Nice bottle at 19 years with supposedly two more still stored up north.
The kicker was some Flannery custom burger blend 25% Prime Hanger, 25% Wagyu Chuck and 50% dry aged steak, but…
The vacuum pack was compromised and there was some frost and discoloration so I put it in the fridge to thaw out. Had intended to make burgers last week but life and a granddaughter got in the way. Found it in the fridge today covered in a grey mildew/mold. Smelled ok so I knocked it off and grilled up a really well aged burger that tasted damn good.
Hopefully I’ll be around tomorrow, but if I’m not, you know why and that I went out happy. and klez can divvy up my northern stash.
@bunnymasseuse@CorTot@InFrom@klezman@rjquillin And I thought I was being brave when my Flannery order took 10 days to get here during the crappy weather a few weeks back. Took it like a man and have been eating it up…ha! But I think you win
We got to most of these, missed some, pulled out a few others. First post-vaccine get-together, but not the last.
People particularly liked the Long Point Sangiovese, the Earthquake Zin, the Masi Amarone, a Chappellet Signature Cab (2016) that I added, and the 1997 Vintage Port. The de negoce Merlot, even though I decanted it for several hours, was a disappointment. We didn’t get to the Faust, so I gave it to a self-described Cab drinker to try at a later date. We had a couple of non red drinkers, one had Moscato and another had a Pinot Grigio. Lots of good food was had, including deserts with the Port.
@ScottW58 I mean, it’s 7 years old, fresh as a daisy, and a nice combination of the older school balanced style but with the heft that comes from mountain fruit. I’m a fan, and will probably do a bottle every 2 years from here on out to see what happens.
The 07 Virage is in a great place, for me one of the best bottles I’ve drank in the last year.
The Groth is young but a several hour decant and it was very good, old school style. Expect my next one in 4 or 5 years to be better.
@hscottk It’s good stuff. Definitely benefited from air. Opened it and poured right into a decanter and gave it a big slosh around. Red fruit, fairly earthy but not funky, and tastes like they got some stems in there in a good way. I only opened one this young because I bought four of them. They’re good now with air (somewhat closed without) but it’s nowhere near sappy or too young-tasting otherwise. Should age for quite a long time.
Trying one of my Redhead’s is a great idea but finding one is a whole different problem ugh. I think I know which cooler they are in but they are buried deep and it would require a lot of digging
@klezman@rc70@rjquillin@ScottW58 Drank a glass of 14 ESV. Very nice wine. More oak and less floral than Corison, but well integrated. Popped a 2018 deNegoce #44 Rutherford cab for comparison. Definitely outperformed the 44. Went with additional 14 ESVs and a couple of ‘16 redheads.
To me I got graphite not oak but because graphite really has no smell it’s another way of saying wood very common it some great Bordeaux wines. Just took delivery of 4 more and a couple of red heads today.
@bunnymasseuse Quite good (and still plenty of time left). I specifically got it out because I thought half the bottle would be left and I wouldn’t be returning to it for 4-5 days – in such a case Clark’s wines are the obvious choice! But at the last minute we ended up inviting a friend over for dinner and the bottle got finished (so it never really got as much air as I would have wanted).
I was absent last week, too! Had dinner with some friends in from Sonoma last week and a a local place across the street tonight…trying to be a bit more social. Don’t tell the authorities!!!
@rjquillin The pork medallions were excellent, it is a Julia Child recipe, very easy to make by her standards. The wine was also excellent, good minerality, a hint of vanilla, and my wife got peach, though I didn’t. After the Judgement at Paris, I thought of Chateau Montelena chard as a reference point and this was my first experience with it.
2011 Pedroncelli Zinfandel Bushnell Vineyard Dry Creek Valley
With some chicken sausages. The wine is excellent - dark fruited goodness with plenty of complexity. This is why I love wines at around 10 years old.
@ScottW58 Nice. Lemon nose, palate and finish. Some floral aromas. Pleasant acidity with some creamy mouthfeel. Paired nicely with brats and a mustard glaze. Second Fine Disregard from BD shopping spree.
@Winedavid49 Unfortunately, this wasn’t the
2011 The Crusher Big Orange Wilson Vineyard
offered in '13 (I do still have one), but something from World Market I had hoped would be interesting. Drinkable, but well past prime.
Penfolds Bin 389 Cabernet Shiraz
2017 (I think it’s 2016 1/2)
I’ve heard it called a Baby Grange because they age it in old Grange Barrels.
Very good. Lot’s of crud in the bottom.
This was night 2, both nights were equally good.